EP # 168 Karma, reaping what you sow. Is it real?

Robb (: 00:01

Welcome to another show. Don't get this twisted. I am Rob along with my co-host as always Tina. How you doing Tina?

Tina (: 00:06

I'm doing good, Rob, how you doing?

Robb (: 00:09

you know, it's a Monday and I'm off. And so we did skip a week. kind of...

Tina (: 00:12

Yeah, and we skipped a week. I didn't even realize that until you texted me. I was like, wait, did we skip a week?

Robb (: 00:19

We did, funny thing is, is I had a week anyway, and there's a bunch of other weeks coming up. I'm about to have no surgery in a week and a bunch of other stuff. So yeah, it's okay. We will probably have to record a couple of shows in advance because I'll probably sound like this for a little while, at least eight days. So.

Tina (: 00:37

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 00:46

Probably better to get one in why I still sound like a human being instead of a robot. But besides that, not too shabby. Life is interesting as always because, well, it just is. But not bad. It's not bad at all. So what about you?

Tina (: 00:50

I hear ya.

Tina (: 00:55

Right?

Tina (: 01:02

We got ya.

Things have been really cool. We sold our baskets, my cousin and I, we sold our baskets at a powwow for the first time and we did really well. We sold more than half our inventory. We were asked by four different colleges to go and do a demonstration slash class on basket weaving and we were invited by Disney to do a special event for their employees in Burbank at the

Robb (: 01:16

Wow.

Tina (: 01:34

at their studio and we were, they only wanted five vendors and we were considered and then approached for being one of the five vendors that are going to be at this event that they're having. So things have really popped off with that and I wasn't expecting that. When we decided to do the powwow, I said, let's just do one powwow and then we'll see if we like it to see what else we could do. And we've just been overwhelmed by the

the interest in the baskets and also in teaching and doing different things. we're kind of overwhelmed right now and trying to figure out what we're going to do and how we're going to do it and see what we can make for this next event. But my gosh, it's like life is completely changed. I haven't been on my bike in like a month because every time I get a free day, we're weaving and doing things and my house is in full construction still. So

That's always a good time. I'm excited for that to get done. I don't know when that's gonna happen, but hopefully soon. yeah, still trying to work and be normal and the Dodgers won last night, so we're going to the World Series, which made my cousin and I very happy. And I don't know, life has been busy, but happy. It's been happy. So I can't complain.

Robb (: 02:54

Cool.

That's awesome. So. Well, we're going to talk karma because I asked my friend down the street for some subjects because I went to lunch with her and she was sent me a plethora of them because she always has something on her mind as well, which is super awesome. But. She's like karma, you know, is it real and.

Tina (: 02:57

Yeah.

Tina (: 03:03

Hmm.

Robb (: 03:24

you know, you actually reap with what you sow? And I thought, that might be an interesting one because I have mixed feelings about it, you know, we'll, yeah, I can, we'll go with it. So let's start from there. Do you believe that karma exists and it'll come back and get you?

Tina (: 03:40

you

Tina (: 03:46

I believe that karma exists as a matter of fact, my friends give me a lot of shit about it. They're like, does it exist because bad people never seem to have anything happen to them. And I'm like, just hold on. Everybody gets their comeuppance. I'm, I'm convinced of that. You have to be the best person that you could be because karma is not just getting the negative. It's also getting the positive. If you're a good person, positive things will happen to you. For instance, I,

Several times over the past probably 10 15 years. I would say at least four times I have left my wallet somewhere and Every time I leave it and I backtrack and I find it Nothing's missing out of my wallet. Nothing was wrong. Everybody knew yeah, you were you were here and it was sitting at the table So I gave it to the manager and the manager has it so let's go and talk to them and I believe that's because I have

I have good karma coming my way because I've seen a wallet in the street picked it up and I put it in the mail and mailed it back to the person and then the person sent me money for doing that and didn't have to I didn't ask for anything I just put the whole wallet back in the in the mail to them or Found a set of keys and I had to go around the neighborhood asking who dropped their keys and and finally found the person that had lost her keys and they were

They lived a couple blocks away, through talking to people, I was able to get back keys and, and I don't do it for any kudos. I do it because it's good to be a good person. And if I lost something, I would want somebody to think, you know, shoot, I should give this back to her or try to find her. And, because of that, I've always had really good luck with stuff. I'm not, not the, the most, I'm not the one that pays attention the most. So

I feel like I've lost things and I've been given them back because I do good deeds or I try really hard to to get stuff back to the other person. But I also know for me because I am a believer in karma, I believe that my shitty karma is instant. Like I'll say or do something crappy and then I'll turn around and trip and break my toenail off. And you know, now I got a bruise on my toe or something.

Tina (: 06:11

And I say to my friends, I'm like, see, that's freaking instant. I can't say anything shitty and then turn around and not get it back. I'm glad I get it back instantaneously because I feel like I, at least I know what I'm doing wrong and I got a great get right all of a sudden. But, I do believe in karma. just, we don't always get to see it. And I think that's the problem with karma.

Robb (: 06:38

Right, I'll agree with that. think, look, do I believe that you get what's coming to you? Generally, I do believe that. I've done some pretty shitty things to people when I was young, younger.

And I shouldn't say shitty. I've just, you we all do some something that, you you think, I kind of did that person wrong, mostly when I was like a teenager or my early 20s. You know, I didn't I did my best not to do people dirty, but, you know, we all do something that it comes back. And I think that I've paid for it, you know, long period, you know, like, maybe this is just long karma. Like I'm.

I'm just still paying for it today. But I do agree with that you don't see a lot of it because I've seen some shitty people and I mean like borderline psychopaths that still haven't got it or I just haven't heard yet. But I'm waiting. There's an old roommate of mine I can't wait to hear that something bad happened to him because I will giggle like a schoolgirl.

Tina (: 07:26

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 07:43

Yeah.

Tina (: 07:53

You know what it is is I Tell people we're not ever gonna know if they're getting their karma because we don't know what they're feeling We don't know emotionally what they're going through, you know, people could have a shit ton of money Always have a shit ton of money always seem like they come up out on top But you know behind the scenes are they happy are their wives staying faithful are you know? There's there's different things like everybody gets theirs

Robb (: 08:14

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 08:22

We just don't know, you know, how it's coming at them. So I always say, you know, if you're happy and you're having a good day, just go with that. Just be happy and have a good day. Don't worry about what anybody else is doing. And don't, don't set yourself up for something crappy because you want bad for them or you want to set them up. Excuse me.

Robb (: 08:44

Right, yeah, I do kind of agree with that, like, just if you're having a good day, maybe karma has already been paid for. You know what I mean? And I think that karma doesn't come with small things. Like, at least that I don't. I think karma is a big thing. When you do bad shit to people, it comes back on you. And...

Tina (: 08:54

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 09:09

I think it comes big and small depending on, you know, I believe that nature has a way of balancing us out regardless, you know, whether if you're doing good, you're going to get good back. If you're doing bad, you're going to get bad back. It's just going to happen that way.

Robb (: 09:23

Right.

Yeah, and look, I think we all pay for things, whether they're short term or long term. If you've done bad, it probably comes on you pretty quick. At least that's how I believe that.

Tina (: 09:41

I don't know. I don't know if it comes in quick, but it'll come in with a vengeance, that's for sure.

Robb (: 09:48

That is very true. I think that when you see, at least in my life, there's things that have waves that have came in where you're just like, fuck, like what the hell? And then you kind of do have to kind of look back on your life and go, I kind of did that to this person. Maybe it's on me now. And, you know, that's probably true because I think if you do

Tina (: 09:59

Yeah.

Tina (: 10:06

Yeah.

Robb (: 10:18

Someone dirty or you do something that you just know is wrong. There's payment for that Always and and sometimes the payment is harsh and sometimes the payment is is You know forever like forever payment like you no matter what you do mostly if it's like relationship shit like I

Tina (: 10:24

Mm-hmm always there's always payment

Robb (: 10:47

for my deeds that I've done people dirty or done something that I shouldn't have, I think I've paid that. I, some, you know, the karma gods have punched me in the dick more than once and was like, hey, you know, you did this and now you have to see this or you have to remember this or.

Tina (: 11:02

You

Robb (: 11:11

Or you find out later on that the person that you were with did it. So there's a lot of things that you're right kind of come back on you. And I think we need to learn from those things not to do shitty stuff because karma's a bitch. Like that quote is very, very poignant and it'll get you.

Tina (: 11:21

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 11:36

It's a bitch if you're on the wrong side of it, for sure. But also, you know, how many times has luck been on your side? That's also like a karmic thing where you... Absolutely. I believe in nature, and I've always believed in nature. And if you notice, nature is always about balance. There's no, you know, there's...

Robb (: 11:47

So you think there's good and bad karma? Okay.

Tina (: 11:59

the sun and the moon exist, right? Or after rain there's a rainbow. You know, I believe that in nature there's birth and there's death. Everything has a balance. Everything is balanced. And so your balance, if you're doing well and you're doing good, you know, you get good setback to you. If you're an asshole and you're always an asshole, you know, there...

Robb (: 12:25

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 12:29

Then you're always gonna have these problems. You're always gonna see thing things differently or you're not gonna be You're not gonna have the sense of of happiness and fulfillment because you're being a jackass But you don't you don't know how you're gonna get it or when you're gonna get it. That's that's not up to us It's up to the karmic gods And I do believe in them. I do believe in that

Robb (: 12:52

I'm.

Robb (: 12:57

I think that if you're doing right or you're doing good for someone, I do think that that comes back on you at some point in your life when you really need it. The things come back around to kind of balance that out and tell you.

Tina (: 13:09

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 13:18

Yeah, we we remember when you did this and we remember when you did that and when you you know when you gave the guy food at the at the McDonald's when he was sitting outside You know Sometime you're gonna come back and your friend down the street is gonna give you a meal whatever it is like There is something that The karmic gods pay forward for sure Because I've been in some shitty times like

Tina (: 13:43

Yeah.

Robb (: 13:49

When I lived, where was I living then? Off of, I think, Saticoy. was in, fuck, I don't even know what city it was, Winnatka, I think. You I was going through some rough times, and I had a buddy who, his dad owned a KFC in Reseda. And whenever I wanted to, I could go there at night and pick up food, because I was hurting at the time. Like, I was...

Tina (: 14:15

Yeah.

Robb (: 14:17

very, very bad, you know, rent food and I wasn't making a lot then. And I owe that guy more than he knows because he fed me and kept me going when, you know, I was eating and I'm not, this is no exaggeration. I had ramen, I had gallons of Kool-Aid from the Vons on the corner and I had macaroni and cheese with a little bit of milk.

That's what I was eating as much as I could. So the flip side of that is when I went there, he would just go, hey, take whatever the fuck you want. And I would take home, and I mean shit tons of food, and he would keep me going. So later on in life, we went down the roads together and he ended up in a place where he needed me and I could come back on him and repay that debt. But the gods, they come back on you. I mean, look.

Tina (: 14:44

Wow.

Tina (: 14:54

Yeah.

Robb (: 15:14

That's why we pray, you know, that the not for karma to kick in, but just to know that there's somebody out there listening and, you know, leading us in the right direction. So, you know, I think that karma does come back on you. That's why I do my best, mostly at this young age of 50 something. I try not to shit on people no more. I don't need that in my life.

Tina (: 15:26

Yeah.

Tina (: 15:41

You shouldn't. You shouldn't. At this point, we should know better. Like, here's an example. So I've been taking our friend back and forth to physical therapy because he had a knee replacement and he can't drive and his family doesn't live anywhere close where they could take care of him. So I'm just helping him. No big deal. We go to the grocery store. We go to his physical therapy and I have fun. We have a good time together. And he keeps saying,

Robb (: 15:46

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 15:52

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 16:11

I need to know how to repay you. don't know how to repay you. And I'm like, when somebody else needs help, help them, help them. That helps my karma, that helps your karma, that brings everybody up. So if we all level up, if we all try harder, if we all be mindful that everybody needs somebody at some time, and it could be us at any time, then, you know, it's easy to do these things. And that too is karma.

Robb (: 16:18

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 16:40

You know that that that creates a positive situation where everybody wins and I'm always saying that I don't know why I always say that and I don't know why I even believe in it because You know not not or not everybody that I know believes in karma They're like, they're just gonna be an asshole for the rest of our life and nothing's ever gonna happen to them But then I think but are they happy? Do they really have the love that they want? Are they living the life that they have because if they're not that could be miserable

Robb (: 17:00

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 17:11

You know, they could be living in misery and we don't see it because that's how they are all the time.

Robb (: 17:18

Yeah, and I think that sometimes you see people who are just shitty people and I believe that karma is getting them daily. Like they may seem happy, but they're really not.

Tina (: 17:32

Yeah.

Tina (: 17:36

Well, and that's the that's how you measure it. Is a person happy? You know, I I've been I always try to be a good friend and I think you could attest to that. I always try to be honest. I always try to give my my sound soundest advice that I have for the age that I am and because I was not always appropriate. So let's just be honest. But I always try to

Robb (: 17:43

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 17:52

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 18:05

the best advice I could and be the best person that I could but then I remember when I was 40 and I had I was trying to get pregnant and my hormones were out of whack and I miscarried and my daughter ran away and my mom was my mom died and I found her and The house was robbed and the cat was killed that that happened all in four months time and I kept thinking what did I do? What did I do to get all that like that was horrible karma, or was it?

And I thought about that because you know now that I'm 52 53 I don't even remember 53 Now that I'm 53 I look back at that whole situation because I'm still trying to figure it out and And I think that those were all bad things that had to happen It was all things that changed the course of my life But maybe my good karma was that it hit me all at once so that I only had to feel that pain one time instead of five six seven times, you know, it's We don't know why things are the way that

they are, but we have to believe that something and someone is looking out for us and that if we're good, we will get good. And you know, I've come through that whole situation and, and I, you saw me during COVID when I was trying to get divorced, I was not happy at all. I was going through it, but you find your way back. And if you're happy, if you could be happy and you could find your footing again,

then you're on the right track. Everything will work out. You just have to believe you have to have faith. You have to know you're strong enough to get through whatever it is you're going to get through. And you should be leaning on people because that's what creates this karmic flip. They depend on you. You depend on them. You work together. don't. You don't. I always tell my friends when they say, you know, I take them out. well, I'll give you money or I'll pay you. I'm like, no.

Let's just stay friends long enough to where you help me, I help you and it'll all balance out in the end because that is nature and that is karma. You know, if you treat me good, I'll treat you good. That's just the way it rolls. And because of that, we don't have all the hangups that a lot of people in their friend groups have. We all look out for each other. We all help each other and in turn we're taken care of too.

Robb (: 20:29

Yeah, I think a lot of that comes down to the belief system of yin and yang, right? If you're doing good to somebody, it's going to come back on you. look, at the end of the day, being good is better than being bad, right? I mean, yeah. I mean, you know, bad. bad, bad.

Tina (: 20:36

Yeah.

Tina (: 20:51

I don't know, sometimes I like being bad.

Robb (: 21:00

But yeah, I think there's something to be said about how long it takes, because yeah, I kind of agree with you. It's like sometimes it's like, God, this guy is just a prick and it's coming back. But you know, like my friend down the street says it best, assholes live forever.

You what I mean? So it's like one of those things where like, you're just like, please, can this one person just get a fucking come-up-ing and, and, you know, get a fucking punch on the chin because they've just been shitty for so long. But the flip side of that is if you're a good Christian person, you don't wish anything bad on anyone.

Tina (: 21:46

Yeah, but sometimes you just have to sometimes you know, and this is what I say. I hope you get what you have coming to you. You know what I mean? Like put it out there like that. Like yeah, whatever you got coming. I hope you get it. Whether it be good or bad if you deserve it. If you've only done shitty things to me, but everybody else you've been great too. I hope you get your good karma. I just want you to get what you got coming and I want you to remember it too.

Robb (: 21:54

Correct.

Robb (: 22:14

Right, I, there's a very small list of people that I have, I don't want to say hate for, but definitely, definitely some people that if something bad happened to them, I wouldn't, I wouldn't fret over it. and again, these are people I don't even know. It's just through stories, but the people that have told me these stories I think are.

Tina (: 22:34

Yeah.

Robb (: 22:43

very, very credible. I have read some text messages from these people that just make me sick. And I think that those are the people that karma is chasing down, right? Like if we're being chased by death, like we all are, there's karma that chases people and these people are, they're being chased. It's just a matter of time. Just because of the...

Tina (: 23:10

Yeah.

Robb (: 23:12

absolute shittiness of somebody that it's coming and and it's funny because we were talking about we were talking about one of these people and she goes to me and she goes because this guy is is is kind of a narcissisticist and yeah he's he he's very big on his looks and the first thing my friend said

Tina (: 23:15

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 23:32

Narcissist.

Robb (: 23:41

and thank goodness he's losing his hair. And it was one of those things where it's like, don't worry about it bitch, you're gonna be bald at some point. And it's not like bald like he can shave his head, like he's already thinning in front and in the back, and he's only like 30 something years old.

Tina (: 23:51

Yeah.

Robb (: 24:00

So, you know, like karma is a bitch. It's gonna come and get you. You might be a pretty boy now, but at some point you're gonna be receding hairline boy and that's what's gonna get him because those type of people need that kind of karma. You know what I mean? Like, and so for me, there are people out there that deserve everything that they get. I am very much a believer in that.

Tina (: 24:01

Hmm.

Tina (: 24:17

Yeah.

Tina (: 24:24

negatively and positively.

Robb (: 24:26

Yeah, look, there's good people out there that do good things for people and they generally still get treated like shit. And it comes back on you. But see, I think what comes back on you like that is you do all this great stuff for people and then when they need it, you can go, no, and that's karma. And if you've done all this great stuff and then now they're shitty to you.

and they need something again, you can go, no, and there's karma revisiting.

Tina (: 24:59

But here's the flip side. Okay, so I do hair. Every effing person that I cannot stand, and I mean literally if they were to just fall off the face of this earth right now, I wouldn't pay no mind, nor would I even know it happened, because I'm not paying attention to these people. If I don't like somebody, I just don't even put my energy into them at all.

But every last person that I've had a huge problem with in life have come back to me to do their hair and For the life of me, I cannot figure out why somebody would want to come to somebody after they've done what they've done and And think that they're gonna be walking out of the shop beautiful because all I want to do is put my hand on the back of their head and take my clippers and Just go around my fingers and leave what's left there

take off the rest, you know, and, and justifiably so. Like I, I, I'm just, would be justified cause these people are, are, have so wronged me, but at the same time I could up my karma by tenfold by being nice to people that didn't know how to be nice to me and, make them feel good while they're sitting in my chair and make them look as

Robb (: 26:23

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 26:29

as they possibly can for as ugly as they are. And I've taken the high road every time. I'm not holding that position though. One day I may snap and give somebody the hand print on the back of their head. But I found that I'm a happier person because I don't buy into the shit. I do their hair. I think they're crazy. I was like, I would never go to somebody that I thought didn't like me. You know, I just went through that with my

Robb (: 26:41

Right.

Robb (: 26:49

Right.

Tina (: 26:58

One of my ex's friends came to get her hair done and she had told him, she doesn't like me. And I thought to myself, then why in the hell would you want to get your hair done with me? That's just my thought. But I did her hair. She was very comfortable and it was no skin off my nose to do that. I got to show her that she was wrong about me. So you see, karma has a way of flipping or changing.

Robb (: 27:08

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 27:17

Right.

Tina (: 27:26

the outcome of whatever happens depending on how we do it and I'm not wasting my karma on somebody that I don't like to be honest with you and and she was right she's not my favorite she's a lot to deal with and and I stay away from people like that you know but I was still kind I still did everything I was supposed to do I still made her look pretty when she left which is my job and

I'm hoping that I put the good karma in the bank because sometimes I want to be an asshole and tell somebody something stupid and I will and I'll be like it's okay because I've got karma in the bank and nothing's gonna kill me you know what I mean I still may get shit on for what I did but at the same time you know if you're a good person in general and you try as hard as you can you don't have to be perfect and it balances out too

Robb (: 28:19

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 28:23

I kind of like the way you're putting that out though. I think there is something to not feeding in to someone. That is good karma, just not even feeding into it at all. Because I've seen people out there that are in...

Tina (: 28:34

No.

Robb (: 28:44

very odd relationships. I mean, through either boyfriend and girlfriend, mom and dad, you know, how you, there's so many different kinds of them, but ones where you just don't feed into it, where you're at a point in life where they might do something to you and you now just step back and go, I'm not, not that you don't, you know, you're not,

Tina (: 29:08

Yeah.

Robb (: 29:13

pissed over it or you're not mumbling to yourself, but you're not going to feed into it for them because you don't want them to get anything from it. So you're feeding good karma out.

and going, no, let them think what they want, let them do what they want, let them, you know, whatever, because now it doesn't matter. And it's not, I'm not going to let that, you know, bring me down or, or, you know, put me in a different direction to where I might do something shitty or say something shitty or, you know, act a certain way. I believe that you're right. It's, it's putting good karma back into the air and going, no, we're good.

Tina (: 29:48

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 29:56

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 29:56

I'm just I'm gonna do what I'm kept doing and Let the karma gods decide what they're going to do for everyone else

Tina (: 30:05

yeah, and it's unfortunate, I feel like there's been friends in my life that I don't speak to anymore, that I let live in my house, that I let be a part of my family, that I let be a part of something that they never had, and they blew it. They don't have that now. There's not an end for them. They don't get my goodness. They don't get to sit down and have me listen to all their problems.

They don't have me picking up their kids from school. Well, not that their kids are even small anymore, but I mean, nobody's there in my place doing all the good that I would have done had we just kept our relationship the way it needed to be. And you know, there's karma there too. There it is. cause you know, one, one friend in particular I've known since the age of five. Well, both of her parents are dead. I, I wasn't there to support her.

Robb (: 30:47

Mm-hmm.

Yeah, no, that's for sure.

Tina (: 31:00

And I know what it's like to lose a parent. I lost mine first. And I know what that's like to need somebody that remembers. Like my friends, I have a couple of friends that go, Ooh, you sound just like your mama. I love that. Not that I love sounding like my mom, because she did not have the best voice. That's for sure. But I like that somebody could remind me that I do sound like her, that I did say something like her, that I was

Robb (: 31:16

Right.

Tina (: 31:29

I reminded them of her and we get to talk about that and that's such a sweet position to be in. know, when somebody says, you're just like your mom and or, your mom just came out of your mouth or, you know, because my mom was not the sweet let's bake some cookies, mom. You know, my mom was like, you can come, you can stay here. I'll take care of you. But

Don't be an asshole and wash the walls when you're done spraying your Aquanet hairspray because I don't want sticky walls. Like she would be the one, she'll let you stay there, but she's going to tell you, you have to do your part. And, and I still have friends when they spray hairspray in their own bathrooms, they go and they wipe down the wall behind where they did it because they remember what my mom said. I love that. Like I love, or I had a friend the other day said,

Robb (: 31:57

Right.

Robb (: 32:13

Right.

Tina (: 32:19

I said, I said, crap, I'm going to be leaving at two o'clock in the morning. And, and my friend said, Ooh, your mama would be so mad. She would say, be home before the bars close. And, and my friend says, I think about that every day. If I'm going to be late getting home at two o'clock, the bar is closed. So pay closer attention because you shouldn't be on the road. And that comes straight from your mom. And I think about that all the time.

And I, you know, so I...

I look at how she lived and stuff and here she's she got to be her, but she also created a lot of good karma because she took care of everybody and she helped everybody and and she left lasting impressions and and that's kind of how I want to be. You know, now that I now that she's gone and I see what she's left behind, that's not a bad way to be. And she definitely believed in karma. And sometimes she would say she would say fuck waiting for karma. I'm going to get even.

Robb (: 33:02

Right.

Tina (: 33:25

She took it on her own hands and and she did what she needed to do too And I thought you know there's there's that you could you could dish it out But in return remember that there needs to be balance so it may come back Yeah, yeah, but you know karma is also it will will use you as a tool to get their point across so you know you just have to

Robb (: 33:39

Yeah, because karma comes back on you with that too. Yeah.

Tina (: 33:51

You just have to be willing to take whatever you've created.

Robb (: 33:55

Right. It's a touchy thing where it's like karma. My friend down the street was the one who talked about this and she's a very true believer in karma and talks about some people who haven't got it yet, but it's coming and it always does come back. And it could be like in the smallest form, they might have done something very, very, very shitty.

Tina (: 34:16

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 34:23

But the karma is something small, but it's still meaningful. And I think that those are the things that where karma gets you, where you have to sit down and go, fuck, if I would have just did this better, I wouldn't be in this position. you know, mostly if you cut corners, I think cutting corners is a big part of karma. If you cut corners to get someplace, it generally comes back on you. You're like, man, I shouldn't have did this or I shouldn't have done that.

Tina (: 34:27

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 34:34

Yeah.

Tina (: 34:49

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 34:53

And it's true, look, I would have told you in my 20s, early 30s that karma wasn't real. I've seen too many people do shitty things and nothing ever happens to them.

As get older, you start seeing the receipts come back though. I think that's the bigger thing. You go, yeah, this is what happened. Or this guy was an asshole to her and now look what happened. This just happened. Or this boss was a prick and then they get fired and you're like, You you're doing this the whole time and it comes back on you. So.

Tina (: 35:11

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 35:24

Yeah.

Tina (: 35:28

But just like that friend of mine, because she screwed me over, she doesn't have access to my family. She doesn't have people that could remind her that she is like her parents. She doesn't have somebody saying, you know, this is how you get through that, or let me assist you or talk you through you dealing with the death of your parents. She doesn't have the goodness. You know, she blew it. She blew it.

And that's karma in itself. Your absence is karma. You're not wanting to deal with certain people because they're shitty to you. That's karma. They don't get you. They don't get your goodness. They don't get your lessons. They don't get your laughter. They don't get your knowledge of the past. They get they get absence and that is very much karma.

Robb (: 36:24

Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to teach my boy that, that be careful, you know, what you do to people. And he's pretty good, but his attitude sometimes is very much a target for karma because he has a very...

Tina (: 36:42

Yeah.

Robb (: 36:49

ho-hum way of looking at things when it comes to human beings. Like we were talking the other day, and I had told him that I think one day me and him are gonna do a podcast, just me and him and talk, because we were talking on the couch one day. yeah, and it was just us talking about like girls and relationships and how we see things and.

Tina (: 36:55

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 37:05

That would be a good podcast.

Robb (: 37:13

you know, how I see where I'm at and where he sees where he's at and kind of going down this road. And again, very surface level things, but we brought up a bunch of stuff. But he talked about being treated a certain way by a girl.

And he was very, very much like, yeah, dad, this is what's going to happen. If they say this to me, I'll never talk to him again. And I was like, wow. And he goes, yeah, I've already done it. Like, I don't care. I'm not going to be treated shitty. Now, I was like, that's in a way good.

But it's also in a way bad because I think that you may be giving up something, you know, and this is long-term. Obviously, my son's only 21 and I don't think he's in a hurry to like marry anyone. But I said to him, you know, be careful what you're talking about because once you get into a serious relationship, you can't just say, fuck it, I'm not talking to you anymore. You have to be able to reassess the situation. And having that kind of...

Tina (: 38:11

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 38:19

Attitude is not good for your karma because it'll come back to bite you because if you're like that to someone That's gonna happen to you as well and it's gonna hurt you really bad because they're just gonna be one day. Yeah, and not talk to you anymore so

Tina (: 38:33

And there's something beautiful about forgiveness. There really is. Like to be able to forgive and to move forward and to have it not be something that is hurting you anymore, that's resolved. That's getting through things. That's finishing it in completion to where the karma doesn't have to have an effect.

Robb (: 38:58

Mm-hmm. Well, or that you also don't wish the Carmen bad on anyone anymore

Tina (: 39:03

I say, don't wish you bad, just wish you not here, because I don't want to deal with your ass anymore. That's real. And that's okay.

Robb (: 39:08

Yeah, I agree with that. And look, the people who do you bad. The karma is coming. It's just a matter of when. It's just a matter of when.

Tina (: 39:20

It always does. Yeah. We don't know how or when, but trust and believe they're living it.

Robb (: 39:26

No.

Yeah. And like you said, it could be any form of karma. Like it's not even has to be the same kind of thing that comes back on you. It's just something's going to come on you.

Tina (: 39:38

Mm-mm.

Robb (: 39:40

And it generally, it's generally bad and it's generally the same kind of thing. I try to tell people, you know, look, in anything, any kind of relationship, mostly boss relationship, you know, if you're in a supervisory position, be very careful about what you say because, you know, the upward, the upward part is great when you make it up there, but coming back down is hurts a lot more.

Tina (: 40:07

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 40:07

because you end up either getting fired or you end up getting demoted and then you're right back into the grind with the people that you just shit on. That's karma. And I've seen it happen. I've seen somebody who became a pretty big boss and then ended up working right back aside next to all of us.

Tina (: 40:27

Mmm.

Robb (: 40:29

there was a big fat plate of crow that got had to get eaten. So it'll come back on you. If you're shitty to people, it's coming back on you because what's going to end up. I just like in a relationship, if you're shitty to somebody, the next relationship you get in, it's going to come back on you. That's why you got to be good to people and truthful and upfront, because when you're not, that karma comes back on you. The next thing you know.

Tina (: 40:33

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 40:38

Well then we're giving... Go ahead. Let's go ahead.

Robb (: 40:58

you know, they're gone, or they're sleeping with somebody else, or this happens. you know, it's, karma's there, and it rears its ugly head, and it generally does it at the worst time.

Tina (: 41:11

Mm-hmm and and not only that but when for relationships This is my belief You want to try to leave people better than you got them you want to put the goodness in? Whether they're shitty person or not you put it in and then when you're done be done and walk away, but don't Don't leave them worse off because the next person you deal with will

be the first lesson you have to learn is that you have to deal with what you left the last one in. But the flip side to that is if you truly believe in karma and you truly want to be happy, you want to pick somebody that wants to love you and wants to do right by you and wants to give you what you're not getting, what you've what's been neglected in your life and

You have the choice. You could take it or you could leave it. But if you if you leave the good, then you get stuck with the shitty. If you take the good, you might just be happy in your life, but you have to believe you deserve it and you have to believe it's real and you and people may hurt you. You may get hurt all over again, but that's loving somebody. Love comes with pain. Love comes with hurt. Love comes with people not being perfect.

But if you want to get off the roller coaster, you have to go where happy is and forget all the other bullshit. Because once you're out of that relationship, it's just bullshit. Let it go.

Robb (: 42:51

I think with family relationships, karma freers its ugly head as well. Where, you know, if someone ends up being shitty to you and then really, really, really, really needs you, you know, that's karma kicking in. And look, even if they did something horribly shitty to you,

Tina (: 43:11

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 43:17

You're going to help them. Like, let's say it's your mom and you had a bad relationship with your mom. If mom needs help, you're going to help her because it's your mom. The karma is them having to ask.

Tina (: 43:31

And the karma is that you're overcoming what you didn't like and you're still rising above. So that's karma. That's still karma. Everybody thinks that karma is a negative thing. It's not always negative. It's balance. Karma is balance. So if you do right by somebody that really fucked you over, then you get more good karma and your life will be more peaceful.

Robb (: 43:38

That's the good karma.

Tina (: 44:00

doesn't matter what the other person does.

Robb (: 44:00

Perfect.

I agree. Again, try to be a good person. If you're a good person, then the karma will always come back on you. know what I mean? it's mostly the, these days, I would say I do my best to just wake up and try to do good because being shitty takes a lot of work. You know, and I've seen what people who do shitty things to people and what it does.

Tina (: 44:10

Absolutely.

Tina (: 44:22

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 44:31

And I want to be the last person that does that. So I'm trying to get my good karma meter up a little bit.

Tina (: 44:34

Yeah.

Tina (: 44:38

I get that. And you know, even in friendship, like when I was 40 and I had to get rid of those friends that I was talking about in that whole situation, I sat without friends for a couple of years. I really pushed everybody away and just said, maybe I need to reinvent myself and see what I'm doing wrong so that I could have a better situation. And I have the craziest bunch of friends now, but they're very loyal. They're very loving and they show up.

they show up, they're there for me and we could be different and we could still have fun and I don't have to worry about being judged or being told I'm wrong because we're all

We're all just realizing it's not even worth it, you know? So my karma was I got a really good batch of friends now and I wouldn't get rid of them for anything. And most of them are bat shit crazy. There's something about every one of them that's not perfect and that tends to be what I love the most about them. So karma does find a way back.

Robb (: 45:41

Yeah, I think I've learned over the years as well that most of the people who aren't crazy or broken or a tad off, they're the ones you want to be around. They're the ones that make you feel normal. And I think that's the bigger thing.

Tina (: 45:58

Yeah.

Tina (: 46:03

I'm all for a good character.

Robb (: 46:06

Yeah, I'm all for just people that that don't have to wear a mask in front of me and the the people Correct and well, you know my friend down the street is is a good one I don't wear a mask at all and sometimes I I think

Tina (: 46:11

Yeah, and that I don't have to wear one either.

Robb (: 46:25

that people around us think we wear a mask just because we're bonkers or we do crazy shit or we're a certain way. I refuse to do that. I know for a fact she doesn't because she can say things off the cuff that and then she'll go, I told you I was an asshole. I was like, I know.

So these are the things that generally I'm hoping that the people around us like that, that karma has already hit us in the past and we're being who we are and are moving forward and being good folks. So to me, that's what I think that I've learned from the things around me that karma is pretty spot on. It's coming to get you at some point. Really just be good to each other and hopefully we won't have to worry about that.

Tina (: 47:17

try to be happy.

Robb (: 47:19

Yeah. Well, there we have it. We're going to say goodbye for this week. Make sure you check us out on the social medias, Facebook, Instagram X and yeah, check us out on Apple, Spotify, pretty much everywhere you can listen to this damn show we're on now.

Tina (: 47:40

Yeah.

Robb (: 47:40

And share it, because someone's been sharing, because we had one day like a crazy amount of people all over the place. Someone in England listened to a lot of shows, lots of them. Yeah, so just share it. know, mostly if you feel like getting a message out and our craziness.

Tina (: 47:55

Hello England.

Robb (: 48:06

And yeah, it's an opinion show, so don't get it twisted. Keep coming back every Wednesday, Thursday, whenever I end up putting these out. Yeah, that's Tina and I'm Rob. We'll see you in a week. Talk to you later. Bye.

Tina (: 48:21

See ya.