EP # 192 Reflections on aging, growth and friendship.

Robb (: 00:00

comes up. And welcome to another show, Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob along with my co-host as always Tina. How you doing Tina?

Tina (: 00:06

It's been a week Rob, it's been a week. I know. Well since I talked to you last, it's been a week. I went to a couple funerals and one was for one of my friend's 19 year old grandson and he was killed by, allegedly killed by one of his best friends, ran over.

Robb (: 00:08

It has been a week and it's only Monday. If people who are listening were recording on the Monday. Yes, it has. Wow.

Tina (: 00:33

Yeah, it was definitely a murder situation. They still have not made an arrest or anything, but going to that funeral and seeing all those kids there just broke my heart. And we're Native Americans, so my dad does a lot of, he's like does a lot of spiritual things. And one thing that he'll do is he'll go and say a few words at a funeral and sing a couple of Native songs and, and, you know, try to, you know, send them off with a Native.

Robb (: 00:48

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 01:02

experience, not experience, I don't know what you would call it, just a little native liftoff sort of thing.

Robb (: 01:06

Hmm. Ooh.

Tina (: 01:10

So normally my dad will do it with my uncle, but he didn't ask my uncle nor did I. And so I did it for the first time. I mean, I know the songs, I know the stories, I know how everything goes, but I don't do it. So that was the first day that I've ever done it. And it was an honor to do it for this kid. This kid just seemed to be very happy and very loving and left a great impression on this earth. And it's just a shame that he was taken.

Robb (: 01:23

Right.

Robb (: 01:37

19 years old. Man. You know, it's it. You know, we were just talking about this before we even got on air about just I was telling you about how I've been looking at the the web page that comes up when.

Tina (: 01:39

soon but it was it was good to do that for my friend and for her family and it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be. 19, beautiful kid.

Robb (: 02:06

get online and how many younger quote unquote people are dying. I've read literally within the last two days. There was an actor who was 31 died when it was 41 died. There was a ESPN. I want to say he was an announcer. I just read that this morning on Instagram. He was 53 and

Tina (: 02:13

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 02:35

Hmm.

Robb (: 02:36

It didn't go, I didn't know completely what it was, but it said he died of depression. Which means he probably took his own life. But he's 53 years old. These are younger people. And not that I wanted to do a show today on death, but you know, I mean, we are in a weird place that where.

Tina (: 02:51

Yeah.

Tina (: 03:03

I get the whole depression thing too because lately I've been struggling.

I do my best to stay positive. think you could tell from what I say on the podcast, but it has been a struggle recently. I'm not speaking to one of my really good friends and I didn't realize how, what an impact that would be. Not my choice and not that anything bad happened, but just, know, life goes on sort of shit. These funerals are kicking my ass. I really need my house to get finished being done. We are now at a year.

Robb (: 03:30

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 03:37

You know, it's June. It's June 2nd. We're at a year now of doing this remodel and it's not done yet. And yeah, it's really, it's weighing on me. You know, my dad's not happy. My cousin's trying to figure out what she could do to, you know, just be okay here. And it's hard. It's not easy.

Robb (: 03:43

you

Robb (: 04:01

Yeah, we're in a very odd place. We're, you know, I was telling you the same thing where I kind of stopped talking to one of my friends and it's I see what you're saying because we both were kind of saying the same thing where like I miss my friend, even though I have more feelings for her. I miss that part. I miss talking to my friend and

Tina (: 04:30

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 04:31

And I know it's probably for the better that I don't at least for my mental health. But yeah, it sucks. And it's. It's hard to wear and look, we're older like I. I always go back to this. There's a scene in Tombstone that's like one of my favorite scenes where. Why there. Goes out and he does this crazy shoot out the sky.

And then one of the other cowboys asked Doc Holliday, he's like, you know, why are here, Doc? You're sick, blah, blah, blah. And goes, well, why there's my friend. And the guy goes, well, I have a lot of friends. And he goes, I don't. And that says a lot for people our age. You know. I have a very small group of friends that I can talk to. I do have a lot of acquaintances, though. Which, you know, can help, but it's not the same.

Tina (: 05:12

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 05:30

You know, and this this person, I mean, I talked to them for. A good, you know. I'll say seven, almost eight years. There was a couple of years in between where we didn't speak, but you know, it does make. It does make for that, and then my friend in North Carolina had haven't talked to either, and I'm trying to find a way to send her a message and kind of just to touch base, you know, because that.

Also kind of you know ended on a weird thing and I and and it sucks because we are in a weird place Where we're like, what do we do? How do we fix it? In and it sucks I wish that I could have an answer for all these people that are going through depression Because you know, I just read the article on that guy and it just said, you know

He lost his battle with depression John lost his fight with this terrible illness. So I'm assuming he took his own life It you know, it doesn't say that but it says that That's what I'm assuming But yeah, he was 53 years old. He's our age He was a TV producer. He was a Emmy winning host this is a guy who

Tina (: 06:43

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 06:57

Sounds like he had his shit together. His name was John Brekus. He was he was just a ESPN producer. He you know he came up with one called Sports Science which I know what it is but I don't think I've ever you know watched it a ton of times but I mean he wrote a book this is a guy who had his shit together. So it's

Tina (: 06:59

What was his name?

Tina (: 07:23

Wow.

Robb (: 07:24

Yeah, it's you. You look. Just at life, I mean, and look, I know that there's a lot to be said because we can go down the line of Hollywood people who've taken their own life. I mean, Robin Williams, you know, and he and he was sick. I mean, and people didn't know that. But even so, it's like you start looking at the reality of where we're at in life. And, you know, I was telling you that, you know, midlife is 35 years old. It's not 53.

If you're looking at the, know, statistically speaking, us men, we died around 71 or 72 generally. And I know with science that that's changing, but I just think that we all need to find a way to get through. Like I was telling you, I just try to get through the day now. And that's difficult sometimes. And

Tina (: 08:16

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 08:23

I try to mask that with like I told you, I watch movies or read a book or work on editing pictures or whatever it is just to kind of pass it, throw on some music that I like that'll get me out of a funk and try to move on to the next day as a new start. And it's difficult because look, we all have issues.

You look at, you know, money. Money is a bigger one. But like jobs, everyone's job is not good. Mostly these days, you know, we're in a spot where, you know, I might not have a job. Then what? You know, it's, it's rough. It's just a, we're in a tough spot.

You know, I look at, you know, god, funerals. I haven't been to one in quite a while, thank goodness. But, you know, that's definitely a eye-opener. You know, you, and I couldn't imagine 19, you know, I went to, god, his name was Philip, he went to school with us. I want to say he, maybe he was 20, maybe.

Tina (: 09:32

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 09:49

He had gotten a motorcycle accident. And I remember going to the funeral. It was at De La Salle. Over there on. What is that? Haven Havenhurst. So and I remember going there with my best friend. We sat there. And, you know, you don't think of it. I mean, obviously he was my my friend's good friend. I knew him through.

Tina (: 10:02

Chatsworth and Havenhurst.

Robb (: 10:19

you know everyone but it is a wild thing then it was he maybe he was 20 he might have been 19 and you look at something like that and just go oh man like we had someone lose their life that young it's like holy shit so now you know even even with us when people in our lives are are dying at 50

I still feel the same way I did then, like, I don't feel really old. You know, my body's old-ish. But, you know, the problem with as we get old, at least in the way I look at it, I went on a date with somebody and we were talking about just kind of like who we are. And I was like, I'm a 53-year-old man, but I have the

Tina (: 10:54

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 11:16

the brain of a 16 year old. You know what I mean? And that's the hard part. I remember being. It was it was down by Balboa Park. We me and my dad went into a it was a store, it had a magazine rack. And I remember my dad, he must have been in his 40s and he was looking at a playboy and there was a girl in the know, the centerfold was like 20 years old and I didn't get it like.

Tina (: 11:18

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 11:46

That's like that woman's half your age like but in my dad's head at 40 he was still 20 and And it that's why it makes sense like even now. It's like you look at younger girls and women younger women like for me young a younger woman is 30 You know what I mean? Like I see a 30 year old I'm like, yeah, like they are attractive because in my head I am 16 years old and I'm like, yeah, she's she's pretty no matter what and

Tina (: 11:52

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 12:03

Right.

Tina (: 12:15

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 12:16

And so I understand that thing, but I think that's the bigger problem with being us human. Like in our head, we're, I can still run fast. I can still, you know, I can go out and play softball and get up the next day and be like, I'm ready to go. And it's not like I was thinking one time to have one more wrestling match.

Tina (: 12:26

Hmm.

Robb (: 12:41

Because I wanted to be able to say I wrestled in my 20s 30s 40s and 50s. I thought that would be cool. And I'm not one to... If like the wrestling business is very weird. People say they retire and they always come back and they work fucking another 10 years. I haven't wrestled since I was 44. And I've been asked several times, not recently, but...

Tina (: 12:57

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 13:09

Are you gonna do it?

Robb (: 13:11

I don't know. I don't think I could at least not I could probably do like a battle royal when there's a bunch of people and because those are easy and you generally it's hard to get hurt in them unless somebody really Has it out for you, and then I just punch people in the face. Anyway, I don't care But I don't think I could work a singles like a real match I could probably do a tag team match maybe because then you can kind of

protect yourself and kind of hide your your inabilities, but Then I just start thinking fuck. gotta get up the next day Like you know and it's like a 30 mile an hour car wreck every time you wrestle. It's not good for your body and Then then I start thinking like that and go fuck that I'm not doing that shit again And and if I and if I did do it

Tina (: 13:45

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 13:56

you

Robb (: 14:06

It would be for my own ego stroke. And do I really want to do it for that? Like, I don't know. Yeah, I have, I did manage somebody for a little while. Many, many years ago when, I took a break. I was kind of in that same thing. Like, maybe I should hang it up. Managing was fun. I will say that that was fun. And it does sort of.

Tina (: 14:11

What if you do like a man that you're managing somebody and you go in with them and slap them around a little bit or do something like that just to say you did it.

Robb (: 14:35

scratch the itch. So it, I could probably do that. And there are some local ones near me, so I could probably go down that route. But yeah, it's just an interesting thing in your head though, right? Cause you think like, I'm still bulletproof and you're not. And I do feel certain things where you're like, ooh man, my wrist doesn't feel good. Or I slept wrong. I...

Tina (: 14:36

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 15:04

That's a bigger thing for me. Have you slept wrong and then your neck didn't work for a day or two? right, so and it's like, you know, I look at my shoulder, which my shoulder and my, you know, I have a torn bicep and I've had a torn bicep for months. Thankfully where it tore, I can still use my right arm, but I do have a tear in my shoulder and I'm going to I'm trying to get it repaired. And I start to think like now, like I'm going to be

Tina (: 15:09

yeah, or my shoulder or my arm or my hand.

Robb (: 15:33

in a sling with my right arm for at least a couple of months and probably not be able to do what I usually do for four or five months. I'm wondering how am going to wipe my butt? You know? I've already started looking at things like for this show. Like I have a mouse that is made for right handed.

Tina (: 15:48

I don't blame you that's always been a scary thing for me.

Robb (: 16:02

So I'm already looking on Amazon for like a standard old school flat mouse that I could use so I can still do things with my left hand. So I'm a little perturbed, a little scared like, yeah, you know, it's like starting over. How do you, I can't write. I won't be able to sign my name. I won't be able to do all kinds of crazy shit for at least a little bit.

Tina (: 16:02

you

Tina (: 16:12

Wow.

Robb (: 16:28

You know, I heard at least one month I'll be in a sling that they said don't ever take it off for a month. Because my friend, she had shoulder surgery and that's what they told. She said the first month they say take it off to shower and right when you get out of the shower put it right back on. So, yeah. So, the only good part is I'll take a four month vacation from work. So at least maybe I'll get my mental health in check.

Tina (: 16:34

Wow.

Tina (: 16:46

Wow.

Tina (: 16:52

There you go.

Robb (: 16:57

Where I can be, you know,

Tina (: 16:58

I don't know, I think sometimes work keeps me mentally healthy because I have something I have to go and get up and do. Like today I didn't get up until, should I think it was almost one o'clock. No, I was out late last night. My cousin and I went to the drive-in movie to go see a movie and we didn't, the movie didn't start until 1130 and it's like 45, 50 minutes away. So we were out late, but.

Robb (: 17:12

Where is there a drive-in that you went to? Paramount. Okay, Paramount. Keep speaking, I'm gonna look it up. Yeah.

Tina (: 17:26

in Paramount. We go out to Paramount.

Tina (: 17:34

And so I like to go Paramount drive-in theaters. It's cool because they have a snack bar and they have pretty good snacks and it's not expensive. It's only like 12 bucks to get in.

Robb (: 17:45

Paramount Drive-In Theaters, let's see. Paramount is down in Bellflower. Yes, I know, the bigger cities are like Bellflower and Compton and Linwood, Downey. It's not horribly far from me either. We're about the same, actually.

Tina (: 17:55

Paramount is in Paramount. It's the city Paramount.

Tina (: 18:03

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 18:09

Actually, you're closer. I'm a little bit further. No double feature like the old days at Winnicka. How was it? OK. that's good. See, I that's one of.

Tina (: 18:13

It's so worth it though. You only get to see one movie. They don't have two movies like they used to. No double feature. Woneka always did the double features, but this one does not. And then we went and saw Lilo and Stitch just to have something to do. Because, meh, I'm not a kid movie sort of person, but my cousin loved it.

Robb (: 18:36

If I'm gonna watch a Disney movie, that's one that I can sit through. Good. I know, my boy wants to see it. I know him. Shit, he would know what to do. don't know if he's ever been. I'll have to ask him. I would say no too, but you know, his mom, she's old.

Tina (: 18:41

you'd like it.

Tina (: 18:45

You should go to a drive-in. You can go sit out in front of your car. can... I know. That's what I'm saying. That's why we should be taking everybody. I'm like...

Tina (: 18:58

I would say no, because...

Tina (: 19:05

She's old.

Robb (: 19:07

So she's old. She's five years older than me. So she's she's pushing 60. So I'm sure she I could see her going to a drive in. So I wouldn't doubt it. I'm going to have to ask him when we get off here. He may have been. Oh, look at that. I a cut right there. Yeah, I had a root canal today. Fun stuff.

Tina (: 19:19

for sure.

Tina (: 19:28

Ouch.

Tina (: 19:33

Not fun.

Robb (: 19:36

Not horribly bad. you know, life's a crazy thing there, Teeners. I think, know, since we've known each other for so long, I start looking at the things around us. All our old friends or, you know, what should we call them? I want to say, I want to say ex-lovers, but that's not the...

What's a old flames? That's what we were saying that one day. I, you know, when old flames come back into our life. Or whatever reason. I find it very interesting. Because you look at. It's sometimes it's difficult not to look at them like.

Tina (: 20:04

Old flames.

Robb (: 20:28

It was the same. It's the same. Yeah, even though we look totally different and we've all changed and... Correct. yeah. I also...

Tina (: 20:30

at the same age that we were when we dated them. yeah.

Tina (: 20:37

Does that really though? I don't know. When I've been involved with an ex, I see them as how they were, not how they are, which is probably like a really good way to fuck with your brain. I don't know. I've had a couple that have come around and I still see them and I can still see them on the day I met them. It's kind of crazy. Yeah.

Robb (: 21:02

Yeah, I also think that that's your mind playing tricks on you and I mean that from and it doesn't even have to be an old flame from you know 35 years ago. It can be someone you dated five years ago, and then you see them again You know you want to see them in their best light You know I think an old old flame though. We see them

Tina (: 21:21

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 21:27

We see them how they were because it was a very special time. know, generally those kind of old flames, at least the ones that I'm thinking of, it's not just a normal girlfriend. It's somebody who meant something that comes through your life for whatever reason again. But then you realize, like I told you before, like I was hanging out with somebody and she laughed and she snorted again.

Tina (: 21:31

Yeah.

Tina (: 21:42

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 21:55

just like she did when she was 17 years old and it was absolutely humorous. talk about being like transported back. I was just like, shit, like, yeah, you are the same person. We've just grown up, but we're, but we're still the same people inside, which is kind of nice.

Tina (: 21:55

Hmm.

Tina (: 21:58

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Tina (: 22:15

Yeah.

Robb (: 22:23

It's a nice feeling to go, OK, yes, we've matured and we've grown up a little bit and we've done this and we've done that. And that's all Jim Dandy. But it is nice to just go, oh, yeah, like we really are kind of the same people we were. We, you know.

Tina (: 22:39

of course. The root of a person is always going to be the root. You know what I mean? They're still going to be that same person. It doesn't matter like how old they are or what their status is or where they're at in their life. Like the core of who people are is always going to be the same. That's what makes it so much fun when I go and I see friends that we've grown up with or I see

Even the people that me and you've talked about, like our friends, people that we grew up with, I see them and I still see them as who they are then and who they are now. And it's a mix up, know? I just throw it all together and go, this person is like this because I've experienced that with them, but they're also like that because they had to grow up.

Robb (: 23:20

Right. Right. And it's funny because the person that I'm talking about, you know, we know and they were always, I mean, just yeah, just a handful and she's a handful.

Tina (: 23:38

She was my friend for a reason. She was fun and fire and crazy and yeah... of the best kind.

Robb (: 23:45

You know, and I was like making Yeah, and I was making kind of a joke about her like I even told her that like I was like, yeah, I couldn't handle you you're just out of control sometimes and We kind of started talking about like life stuff and she's in the medical field and She makes a good living She

Tina (: 24:06

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 24:12

That's awesome.

Robb (: 24:13

Because what the last well when I first saw her She was a medical technician, you know, she's an RN now And I didn't realize you know cuz I have lots of friends who are in the medical industry and I have other friends who are RNs and I have friends that are medical assistants and I mean kind of all over the board LVNs and I didn't realize what an RN made

Tina (: 24:22

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 24:40

I had no understanding of, and I knew that they were like, yeah, I make a decent living. And I was kind of thinking like, yeah, they make like 80,000 a year. That's like the lowest end, nobody RN. Some of these people are making well over 100K. And I didn't realize it.

Tina (: 24:41

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 24:57

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 25:03

Mm-hmm. for sure.

Robb (: 25:07

So I was talking to her about that and I was like you're smart and And you know, you know her and the first thing she said she's like, no, I'm not I go. Yeah, you are you're an RN You you're pretty smart and she's like she's like when it comes to some things Yes, and she goes but you know me and she said like I forgot what it was She gave me the example of the kind of made her dingy and I was like, yeah You are kind of digging to like it's funny, but that's all of us

Tina (: 25:33

No, it's the common sense is a little bit askew there, but she's she's brilliant to the mind. That's why I I liked her from the get-go because she was quick and she could keep up and she she was smart. I liked I didn't realize growing up that I really like smart people and I noticed that my the company I keep they're very very intelligent. Now common sense may be another story. That's you know, whatever but

Robb (: 25:37

Yeah. smart and smart.

Totally. No.

Tina (: 26:05

books, yeah there's two different things, but I've always really liked people that were smart, that had a brilliant mind, that had something that I could, I could you know get fuel from basically and

I do like smart people, a lot of smart people aren't exactly, you know, top executives or, or, you know, whatever, but they're still smart. They still have a brilliant mind. And, and I, I like that. I like that a lot. And she was definitely one of them.

Robb (: 26:35

Shit, they're smart. They're smart people who don't use their mind to move forward. They're just smart. No drive. That's...

Tina (: 26:43

My brother, I always call him the lazy genius. His mind is brilliant, but he has no ambition to do anything with it. No drive. It could be a part, like, feeling like he doesn't want to fail. I don't know. But...

Robb (: 26:59

I think the same way about my kids sometimes because like he'll say stuff and I'm like You're pretty bright, dude, but he's he's lazy And it's for the first time in a while he said something to me the other day He has Invisalign his mom works for a dentist so we got Invisalign for insanely cheap

Tina (: 27:07

Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Tina (: 27:20

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 27:26

Nice.

Robb (: 27:27

And if I said it, people would be upset. It's so cheap. So cheap. So, but he was talking to the dental assistant and it was a guy and the guy goes, yeah, you should go get a $30,000 loan and become a dental assistant. He goes, you'll work for the rest of your life. He goes, no matter what, because they're always gonna need them.

And I was like, and so he said to me the other, goes, I'm thinking, you know, maybe I could do this. And I said, listen, that's awesome. And if you can get a loan, do it. But make sure it's what you want to do. Because you don't want to go to school for something and then not want to do it. Because I have a friend whose son went to be a pharmacist and has never used it.

Tina (: 28:20

Wow.

Robb (: 28:23

Man, you know and and she works for a large medical Company large in the state of California Probably could have helped him get in to a position Yeah And and even and you know pharmacies in the very pharmacist in the very beginning don't make a lot He would have made like 19 bucks an hour but he would have been in and he would have been union and

Tina (: 28:40

Really?

Robb (: 28:54

Yeah, and it sucks because he didn't do anything with it. So, but I keep telling my boy the same thing, like, that's awesome, go do it. If that's what you really want to do, but don't use it as a standby. Go get an education and go get into the field. And then if you want to learn other things during that, awesome. But I did tell him too that that's the only loan that you can't BK.

Tina (: 29:08

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 29:20

Just so you know, that those those education loans they're forever So we'll see I mean I get it I think It's got to be difficult these days. I mean it was hard I guess for us to to be like, I don't know what I want to do but

Tina (: 29:42

I don't, for me it was very easy. I knew what I wanted to do, but I didn't think I would be doing it 34 years later. You know what I mean? I've been doing this shit for 34 years and I'm looking at life going, fuck, like, I'm burnt out. I'm ready for something new, but what do you do? What do you do now? You know?

Robb (: 29:50

Right, that's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, you're and I don't want to say stuck because I don't think you're stuck. The good part is this or what you do, let's say you got another job, whatever it is you want to do. You could always cut hair on the side and make.

Easy money. You know what I mean? Like cutting hair out of your house. That's the only, that's a good standby. Like, hey, I want to go on vacation next year and just go off on people's hair for a couple of months and make a shit ton of money so you can go on vacation. So that would be cool. But yeah, I mean, I kind of think the same way. Like I could go back into the field and do alarm work.

But I'm 50 something years old, is my body going to keep up? That's, you know, that's what I'm starting to look for. And, and man, Social Security might not be around when we're older. So who knows if we're going to be able to retire. Like I hope so. Because if it's not, we are.

Tina (: 31:00

Yeah, it's gonna be there. It'll be here.

Tina (: 31:08

Well...

Robb (: 31:13

We'll be working until we're I mean, yeah, I hope so, but I mean, you know, it is a scary scary thing and And no even though like 401k. I have a small one, but not enough to survive on least not right now, although it went up

Tina (: 31:15

No, though it'll... Come on, this is a place you go where you have nothing and everybody will take care of you. somethings gonna give?

Robb (: 31:38

My 401k jumped like $30,000 in like two weeks. Yeah, because it's all done through the stock market. That sounds great until it takes a shit and then I have zero. You know what I mean? But yeah, I mean, we just live in a very odd life, you know. Comparative.

Tina (: 31:44

Nice.

Tina (: 31:51

right?

Tina (: 32:01

Things aren't as very grounded as they used to be. Like my dad went to work every day from whatever time he started till he was home at 3.30 in the afternoon. My mom went every day. They had jobs. Jobs lasted. You know, we were always comfortable in that the jobs and everything would still be there. I don't see that happening now.

Robb (: 32:06

No, I don't either. And I think that with the computer age ended a lot of things. I mean, my dad worked in

He worked for Caltrans and he worked in heavy equipment and he worked so Labor jobs will always be around I mean a lot of them But the computer age like shit we're being replaced and AI is gonna make it worse You know the Hmm very No, that's I mean like there's certain things

Tina (: 32:46

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 32:55

AI is kind of a creepy thing. But they can't cut hair, so... Not yet! Not yet!

Robb (: 33:03

Although you know what I saw the other day and and I know look no no no I saw a tattoo machine that was computer operated they just put in a file and started a tattoo now it wasn't on a human yet it was on like you know the fake skin but they're testing that market to think and

Tina (: 33:06

Don't tell me.

Robb (: 33:32

And here's the thing with that, it's 100 % correct. There's no messed up lines, there's no nothing. But the flip side of it from the standpoint of how I look at something like that, that's not art. It's still not made by someone. So, I mean, there's something in that. I guess, you you start looking at like furniture. You know, a lot of that stuff is made, not made by hand.

Tina (: 33:50

Mm-mm. Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 34:01

But it's put together by a person. I love to see people who make furniture, who make, you know, who are routing out stuff and actually still making things. You know, if the planet ever goes through the cycle of not having power anymore, they will be kings. They will be the best person in the tribe.

Tina (: 34:03

Yeah.

Tina (: 34:20

people that use their hands will be at a hot commodity. Yeah.

Robb (: 34:30

Because they'll everyone Yeah, about what about carpal tunnel

Tina (: 34:32

You know what I noticed with my hands from doing basket weaving and being a hairdresser, like I really shouldn't be using my hands as much as I do, but they're always going anyway, so I might not put them to work. I'm starting to have a lot of cramping. Like my hands will just start doing crazy shit and the trike does not help that because it's not automatic. It's, you know, you have to squeeze the handles. No, no carpal tunnel.

Robb (: 35:01

No? That's good. That's a plus. you're not just my wrist.

Tina (: 35:04

I decided when I was very young that that shit was not going to happen to me. And you know, I think that a lot of things, if you put your mind to it, they'll, your body will answer to that. And I believe that that was part of it. But I also learned to use my shoulders and my body to like blow dry hair and to move back. So I wasn't using my hand and my wrist. So I'm grateful that I had that sort of,

Robb (: 35:29

Yeah. Yeah, my my my best friend, he's had

Tina (: 35:34

not counseling, but that sort of teaching, you know, to teach somebody. But it could have been really worse, because I know a lot of people have had to have carpal tunnel surgery. And I drop things, not always, but on occasion I'll have a day and I'll be like, all right, get it together. And the cramping.

Robb (: 35:59

on both wrists because all he does is computer work. So both sides. So I've had issues with my wrists. They hurt. But again, like lots of things hurt. mean, wrestling for 20 years didn't help. So I'm sure that that my 60s and 70s are not going to be the the greatest thing. think.

Tina (: 36:03

Yeah.

Tina (: 36:24

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 36:25

But I will say that like I since I've lost a lot of weight I do feel better like my knees are better But some things you just can't like we're aging That's it's part of life. I think you know eating right and and Taking care of yourself is definitely gonna help us. I think I Totally agree, but you know you look at like and again, I'm not gonna throw boomers under the bus but

Tina (: 36:34

Yeah.

Tina (: 36:44

Yeah, I think having a happy mind is very helpful to staying young.

Robb (: 36:54

Boomers, they didn't have the education of taking care of yourself and exercising on the same as we do. I think we're going to be the first generation that ages that probably won't have tons of problems with like broken hips and that kind of thing because we know that you can exercise and do better.

We know you can eat better and do better in life. I think the millennial generation will be way better off. The millennials and the Gen Zers, as long as they take... I don't know, man. see a lot of... There's a lot of millennials and Gen Zers at the gym. It's going to be a very select few. I think that, yes, there are people that are introverts and don't leave the house and that's... They're going to die off anyway. But that's like the weak link of...

Tina (: 37:33

Think so? They don't ever leave their bedroom.

Robb (: 37:53

of Gen X as well, you know, and boomers. There's all generations are going to have that issue. But I just think that anyone beyond or below us knows now there is no excuse. If you don't do it, that's on you. You know what I mean? Where we're kind of in that. You know, the exercise kick didn't really happen until like the 90s or maybe the 80s with the like jazzercising.

Tina (: 37:55

heat.

Tina (: 38:12

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 38:22

I don't know, don't you remember that in the 70s? I remember all the jazzercise and shitting.

Robb (: 38:27

I remember it more in the eight, you early eighties. Matter of fact, there was a show in the morning. I remember while watching it, it was like some girl in a white room, like doing exercises. I thought it was the craziest thing. But looking back on it now, I remember what now I know what it was about. Had nothing to do with exercises. Watching a girl, you know, hump the air. It's a fact. I mean, I don't know if you remember that, but

Tina (: 38:51

That'll keep your mind healthy too. jeez.

Robb (: 38:52

Yeah, that's right. Keep your mind young. You know, I think hopefully, you know, they start, you know, not poisoning us and not putting as much shit in our food and solely and all this other shit. Because, you know, I saw something the other day that like the health, the health of younger people is just going sideways. Like they're way sicker.

Tina (: 39:16

Yeah.

Robb (: 39:19

There's like way more I mean the sexual issues are huge and young people So it's it's a scary thing how And it will be far dead I guess I would love to say I don't care but it is odd, you know things have just changed so much and so quickly the how rapidly You know, just think we're the

The first generation of the Internet and and having a computer in your house. And having a computer in your hand. I mean, we have we literally have a computer in our hand. No, you know, teachers, you know, I always see the joke. There's a meme all the time going, you know, being a Gen Xer was hearing your teacher go, you're never going to have a calculator in your pocket. Sure, we do.

Tina (: 39:52

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 39:57

We do. We didn't have this when we were in school.

Tina (: 40:13

Yeah, we kind of do.

Robb (: 40:14

We have every we have the world in our pocket you want to know something type it in it's there Somewhere and if you don't have the answer You can research it and find it. So I mean, I'm hoping that that helps the future generations but I don't know it I hope that the world Changes a little bit and I hope we get out more

Tina (: 40:19

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 40:43

You know, we had such a great time as children. We spent so much time outside. And maybe it's just because we live in the city here now, like younger people. Because, you know, I've heard from people who live outside of the state who who live in a city, but like more of a country city. Like live in the South. People are outside playing, kids still go outside and they're

Tina (: 40:50

I had a blast.

Tina (: 40:54

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 41:06

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 41:12

out riding bicycles and and doing things that aren't aren't uh the norm around us sure they still play video games but you know parents in some of these southern states or or at least the people i know who live in the south there's still a lot riding bikes and throwing balls and you know going down to the creek and pulling frogs like it's still a very different place we're here

Tina (: 41:40

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 41:42

I rarely see kids running around. yeah.

Tina (: 41:45

No, it doesn't happen. The other day I was driving home and I was at the other block. I know pretty much the older people that have been on the block for a hundred years. And we saw one of our neighbors outside with a kiddie pool with his granddaughter. And so I said, my God, that's so cute. So we went around the corner again to snap a picture of it because you never see that. Snapped a picture. My cousin wasn't driving, so she was the one that did it.

gave me my phone and then I posted it to this man's wife because we're friends on social media and I was like it was so cute to see them interacting like a grandfather and a granddaughter like how often do you see that you just don't and it's kind of got a lot of hits now she put it on hers and I just I had to do it it was such a cute thing to see and then

Robb (: 42:33

You don't.

Tina (: 42:44

His son is one of our friends, lives out of a state like on the East Coast. And so I sent it him and he was like, oh, thank you so much. Like I never, I never see that day to day stuff with my dad. You know, I'm not there. So I think it made everybody happy. It's just a shame that it made everybody so happy that cause they're not seeing it.

Robb (: 42:55

Hmm.

Robb (: 43:07

Yeah, you know, there's some kids in my building that always are out playing baseball over by my pool because there's like a big huge piece of grass. And to me, that's super cool that these kids are at least outside doing something because you're right. And it's funny because my friend down the street

Tina (: 43:21

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 43:26

has grandkids and it must have been last summer. Last summer sent me a picture. She had a sprinkler in the front yard going and the grandkids were running through it. And to me, I was just like, that's amazing. And she has a pool. They were still in the front yard running through the sprinklers because that's fun. That's like. So it's still happening and I hope that these are the things that

Tina (: 43:44

Yeah.

Robb (: 43:55

that change for the better and we keep these continuing and I'm sure like I said outside of our little bubble of California I'm sure it's still happening because a lot of those Midwestern and Southern states are still you know country people or live in a small town and they just do fun stuff so you know there yeah

Tina (: 44:16

Hmm. Well plus they don't live with a bunch of pedophiles and freaking weirdos running around. I don't know. It's so different here than it is in other places.

Robb (: 44:25

I mean, it was funny, like in 89 when I went back to visit my mom, she lived in a town that had 1500 people in it. It was amazing, but it was odd. But I remember being that I met every girl in this town that was of my age. And I mean all of them. There was like 12 or 13 girls that I hung out with. And every boy or

Tina (: 44:36

Yeah, I don't know what that's even like.

Robb (: 44:53

person from the next town over did not like me. Because on Friday nights and Saturday nights, they drove down Main Street. Like, and, and I remember sitting on a park bench or a bench in front of the pizza shop that you could also that you could also rent movies at, because it was 89. It was great. But I remember like these guys driving by and I, and for a second,

Tina (: 44:57

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 45:05

Yeah.

Tina (: 45:15

No, geez.

Robb (: 45:22

I thought I'm this is the greatest life I've ever been because I I'm in a town that no one really knows me and all they know of me is I'm a boy from California and I when I say I was tan, you know, I was Tan I was brown I looked like a surfer kid and I remember having like a half cut shirt and a pair of OP shorts like I was a surfer I looked like a surfer kid and

Tina (: 45:27

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 45:40

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 45:48

He he.

Robb (: 45:51

It was such a great time, but you look at a place like that where it was just innocent. It was such an innocent time. people were there. The highlight of their weekend was driving their cars down Main Street and then parking and then hanging out. It was such a cool thing. And again, but and I'm sure that that still happens in these small towns because there's towns that have a lot of people, a lot of towns that have less than 2000 people in them.

Tina (: 46:09

That is so cool.

Robb (: 46:21

Then you have to drive to the big town this town my mom lived in didn't have a light It had stop signs to get in No street, no no light. No red light green light the whole town The town she grew up in it's called Ricketts, Iowa like after the disease I want to say right now I'm gonna look it up just for shits, but I want to say that the population of Ricketts is like a hundred people

Tina (: 46:29

No street light.

Robb (: 46:51

Yeah, I'm pretty sure. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you can't. As of 2020, Ricketts, Iowa. 2020 had 109 people. Oh, right now.

Tina (: 46:52

That is insane. Because we don't know that. We come from a population that's just... I don't even know what the number is, nor could I even relate to the number. There's that many people that live here.

Tina (: 47:17

jeez.

Robb (: 47:19

I'm sorry, it's down. It's one percent. It's one. It's zero point nine percent down growth. There's hundred and two people. So they're they're getting close to under one hundred people in in this town. Yeah, it's there used to be a bowling alley and a bank and all these things. As far as I know, the only thing that's really open there is the general store and the post office. So you have to drive out of town to get anything.

Tina (: 47:26

Mm.

Tina (: 47:31

That's so crazy.

Tina (: 47:46

Wow, can imagine?

Robb (: 47:46

It's wild. It's it's such that they actually made shirts and I have one somewhere. And it was a star was on Ricketts, Iowa, and it had lines to other bigger cities. And it just said the middle of nowhere. And it was the middle of nowhere. But, you know, you go to places like that and. You just can't comprehend. You can't comprehend it. It's.

Tina (: 48:04

Hmm.

Tina (: 48:14

Mm-mm.

Robb (: 48:16

It's an interesting... Yeah, yeah. It's wild. I'm looking up pictures on the internet. All the buildings are gone. Like, they're gone. There's nothing there anymore. That's wild. It's too bad. But, yeah, you know, not that this was an interesting episode, but I just thought we'd talk shop and kind of what's going on.

Tina (: 48:17

It's a different way of life, completely.

Tina (: 48:29

Wow.

That's so crazy.

Tina (: 48:42

We were both feeling kind of low and just needed to talk, so here we are.

Robb (: 48:46

Yeah, and you know, and I think that the one thing that you should gain from this is talk to your friends. And life is very quick and make sure that your friendships or relationships that you might have let go, you kind of fix. Because you don't want to be that. I don't want to lose anybody and not be in their life.

Tina (: 48:54

yeah, that's what you got him for.

Tina (: 49:10

That's right.

Tina (: 49:15

I don't want to have them leave and me not know how much I love them.

Robb (: 49:19

Yeah, exactly. And I'm hoping that the people that I haven't talked to know that I give a shit about them. I just, you know, for whatever reason, you you might not talk to them. Yeah, I agree. I agree. All right. Any last words? Awesome. Yeah, this you can check us out on all the platforms.

Tina (: 49:28

If they know you, they know.

Tina (: 49:36

No, I think I just said it.

Robb (: 49:44

and share the show because we've been lots of people been listening lots all over the world. I I sent Tina like China, Turkey, like lots of different new countries. And again, there's somebody in Ireland that's watching or listening every week. And it's super awesome. And.

Tina (: 49:49

A lot of countries.

Tina (: 50:05

That is cool. But yeah, when you sent me that China, Germany, Australia, France, England, Spain, the Netherlands. It's so crazy. Yes, thank you.

Robb (: 50:13

Yeah, crazy, right? Yeah, it's so crazy. So thank everybody. Thank you. It's awesome. And you can check us out on the social media as I'm posting more and share the show. Keep sending to other people. And yeah, it's an opinion show. Don't get it twisted. Keep coming back every Wednesday. I'm Rob. That's Tina. We'll talk to in a week. Bye.

Tina (: 50:35

See ya.