EP # 210 Embracing Change: The Journey of Personal Growth (shooting the S#!t )

Robb (: 00:01

And welcome to another show of Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob, along with my co-host, as always, Teda. How you doing?

Tina (: 00:08

I'm dragging ass, Rob, but other than that, I'm doing all right. It was a like a super busy weekend for me actually gearing up for the last couple of weeks have been insane. So I think I'm coming off of all of that and I'm not a morning person. So it's not even nine o'clock yet. And I've already been showered and on the podcast. So, you know, it's yeah, I'm going to be tired. How are you?

Robb (: 00:30

You you you know me I've been up since 5 a.m. And at the park at 6 I gotta run that dog gotta run that dog he's crazy as hell but and here's the thing I take him really early because the dog park starts getting packed around 7 ish and he has a way of

Tina (: 00:39

I know I don't get that. I don't know why you'd want to do that. I get you.

Tina (: 00:54

you

Robb (: 00:59

Getting a little testy sometimes. And if he's tired, he'll get really testy and then. Yeah, so he's just I just take him so I can run the shit out of him and he'll come home and sleep the rest of the day or most of the day. Yeah, I know that I'm you know, I'm still off, so. My shoulder is is. Not healing as quickly as I anticipated.

Tina (: 01:05

Mmm.

Tina (: 01:08

like me.

Tina (: 01:17

Nice.

Tina (: 01:30

Well, you hope for the best, expect the worst, and somewhere in the middle it'll all happen.

Robb (: 01:36

Yeah, I've kind of decided that because I was going to try to hurry back to work. You know, if if if I can stay on disability and and not have to go back for maybe another month after that, I'm going to try to do it just because I, you know, I'm having.

Not that I'm having issues. It's just my mobility isn't where I want it to be or where it should be. I'm a little behind. So I just don't want to go back and be hurt. I just you know, there's no need for that. So we. You know, like always, we always have some kind of show to talk about and and and we do, but we're not going to.

Tina (: 02:09

I get it. There's absolutely no need for that.

Robb (: 02:24

because I think there's some there's some issues that we probably want to talk about that we probably need to wait on. You know what I mean? Like do do a little more research or before we stick our feet in our own mouth, probably shouldn't. So I thought because we were shooting the shit right before we got on here, we should just shoot the shit today because we we

Tina (: 02:51

Let's shoot the shit.

Robb (: 02:54

You know, every Blue Moon, we do do a hey, what's going on with this podcast? Because, you know, the people who actually do know us get updates from here. But. You know, I mean, it's it's crazy, you know, like my mom, when she was alive, used to listen to the show to find out what was going on, like literally. So kind of kind of interesting. But you did have a.

Tina (: 03:04

Right? That's true. do. They do.

Tina (: 03:16

Yeah, yeah.

Robb (: 03:23

Interesting weekend. I saw your posts. See, I'm kind of, I'm gonna kind of say something that's probably horrible, but not really horrible. I want a basket, but they're way expensive. So I'm gonna have to dribble some money to you and like, and have you make one for me as we go. Yes, you've told me how expensive they are.

Tina (: 03:45

Wait, you know how expensive they are?

Tina (: 03:51

Well, Rob, we're friends. You just had to say you wanted a basket, you fool.

Robb (: 03:53

And no, I understand that, but I'm also not one that, don't look, people's crafting, it's a kind of like photography. I give breaks to everybody and everyone I know from the other side go, why do you keep doing that? You should be making money and you go, and I'm like, yeah, I know, but I love doing it. So, but I wanna buy one, but I think we're gonna have to kind of sit down and we'll.

Tina (: 04:13

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 04:18

So you can actually design one for me because I want to I want to put it on my. When you walk in my house to the right, there's that big huge shelf. And it's usually my Hobby Lobby shelf because I buy all my shit from Hobby Lobby and put it on there. Or it's like big Star Wars statues, one of the two. I need to stick to Hobby Lobby. It's way cheaper. Those Star Wars statues are like seven hundred dollars a piece. So I need to stick to the easy ones, but.

Tina (: 04:27

Yeah.

Tina (: 04:37

Yeah.

Tina (: 04:42

right?

Robb (: 04:47

I'm gonna, I'll have you make me something so I can put it on there, because I still have a little bit of room left. So, how was your weekend and how did that, did you guys sell out again? Okay, good, good.

Tina (: 04:47

Yeah.

Tina (: 05:01

No, I sold half of my inventory though, which was super cool. Okay, so I was hoping we'd sell out because I always hope we sell out. That's a lot of work. We put a year worth of work out for people to purchase our stuff. We sold half or I sold half. I don't know what my cousin did yet. But anyway, we did really well. We did really well. was

Robb (: 05:19

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 05:31

I was interviewed for a local newspaper and then they printed it. They messed it all up, what it was said, but she was just jotting down notes. She didn't even record me. And I'm kind of a...

Robb (: 05:34

Ooh.

Tina (: 05:48

you know, literal person. So I didn't like the way it came out. But I was like, hey, I'm still in the newspaper. Like, that's kind of a cool thing. And not just a little bit. Like, I was in it quite a bit. So that was super cool. We got we got

Robb (: 05:54

Right. you

Right. Right.

Tina (: 06:08

Hit up from Disney to do one of their powwows again as a vendor which is amazing because it's Disney We also got hit up by Warner Brothers They want to have us as a vendor at their their event. I don't know exactly what the event is I don't think we're be able to do it though just because we don't have the inventory to do all these things and then we're gonna end up at the Chumash interpretive Center in Thousand Oaks and That'll be the one that we finish up with

Now, mind you, we didn't have any of these,

Venues hooked up. We weren't even thinking about making them for them. We do it for our own bow Wow, and and we do very well like it's funny how people come up to me and that we this is a second year and One of them said I already have three of your basket. I've baskets I've collected so I'm gonna buy two more today and I'm like what you're collecting my stuff already like I just put it out like that that amazed me and it's funny because we

Robb (: 06:46

Right.

That's Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 07:11

don't tell the people that are buying who did it who made it so is it you know Tina that made it or her cousin that made it and it was funny because my friend bought two and and at the end he's like okay who made what please tell me I got one of yours and like yeah you got one of each of ours and he's like okay cool like he was it we don't we don't mark

Robb (: 07:34

So you don't market at all with something that's yours?

Tina (: 07:38

whose it is. It's one or the other of ours that have made them and we're in business together. So we just go at that. But the people that know us are the people that come specifically for our things. If they ask, I'll tell them. But I've had people come up for me and they've bought four baskets from my cousin. And then she's had people come up to buy stuff and they've only bought stuff for me. it's kind of funny how it works out, but we don't care. It's our business. It's what we're doing. And that's that.

Robb (: 07:41

Okay. Sure.

Tina (: 08:08

That part was fun.

Yeah, it was cool. It was cool to do that. Cool to talk to people. It was cool to get hit up by the newspaper and all these other venues that want us. Like, who knew? I had no idea that doing something as a hobby. Well, actually, it started to be something to do to heal, you know, like our broken heart. had all there was four of us that originally started and we had all lost our mothers at one point in time or the other and just needed female energy around us. Like for whatever reason, we just needed each other.

And then my cousin and I, we went bat out of hell with it because we could obsess about things. I don't know if you knew that about me, but anyway, we got way into it. No, at all. So we got way into it. And now this this business is coming out of it. And and financially, I think we did better than we thought we would, which was awesome. And like I said, we got

Robb (: 08:55

No, not at all.

Tina (: 09:12

We just got a lot of praise and a lot of support. I love when my friends that don't have anything to do with being Native just come out and hang with me for the day.

I'm on the whole time. So when somebody comes up, I'm talking to them and it's not easy. I don't know if you guys realize how not easy it is. It's beyond to talk to people you don't know and then to kind of connect with them and then to make them feel like you're listening and you're there with them. it was energy wise, it was a lot. I mean, it drained us.

both in bed right after we got home and just knocked out and then in the morning we were dragging ass trying to get the energy to do it again. But we did and I do enjoy doing that. But I noticed that my dad, he's like...

Robb (: 10:02

you

Tina (: 10:11

Really low energy since then My cousin is very low energy I'm very it's it's hard to be on for that many hours and make small talk with that many people and and share yourself and your stories like I I know I do the podcast but there's so much I don't share and there's so much I don't get into just because of the people that I have to Relate with or the people that I don't want to relate with you know we've got our stalkers our exes are you know kids and

Robb (: 10:14

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 10:41

former friends and whomever else that we don't want listening to our podcast. it's a it's kind of it's even though we don't want it and we we choose to stay away from certain things like we know what they know what we're doing even though we don't know what they're doing. I'm okay with that because I don't want to know. I don't I don't want to put that much energy into it but

it does make you a little bit vulnerable to things. you know, so doing doing my baskets was definitely that. Plus, I'm kind of like the background staff when it comes to the Native community and stuff like I look white, even though I'm very Native. And if you see my dad, you notice that I'm very Native. But

You know, I've never been one to be at the forefront of that. kind of like to be in the background. So this has really pushed me to the front of it and said, All right, teen, now you called it up. Here it goes. And all I did was make a basket like it's, you know, but the energy has always kind of pulled me to be that. So here I am. I'm doing everything that makes me uncomfortable. And it was great. Like.

I got to see my friends kids that they brought them and like the little babies my my little cousins that I don't normally see the people that I don't I stay in contact with but I should connect with more but I'm already so busy. I don't know how I could do it. But I should make more time for the people that showed up for me and I'm so appreciative of them and it was the biggest powwow that we've had yet. You know the turnout was amazing and the weather thank God was amazing last year it was like 102.

Robb (: 12:31

You You

Tina (: 12:32

and we were in the sun the whole time. It was disgusting how much sweat a body could produce.

But this year this year was great and and we both got to take off and hang out with our friends My ex even showed up. He was I thought he was out of town. I thought he was way out of town He says he wasn't gonna make it He had texted me and asked if we could talk for a few minutes and I said I can't I'm so busy. You caught me at work I'm three people, you know booked three three in there's three at a time going on and and then when I'm done I got to go over to my cousin's house and I got a

Robb (: 13:04

Right. you

Tina (: 13:09

put the price tags on this. got three people I need to call on my way from work to my cousin's house, which gives me about 10 minutes to call all three people. And then, you know, I'm going to be busy until later in the evening. And so I didn't talk to him. I totally forgot to call him back.

Then like midday I'm looking out into the crowd and I see this guy that looks familiar and I look and I'm like my gosh, what are you doing here? I was so surprised but you know what? I really appreciated him coming out and and being supportive and I wanted to show him everything because he didn't come last year either and and he's big on you need to build your business and you need to put work into it and you need to put money into it and you know, so I sort of showed him the banners and this all the stuff

that we did.

the business cards and the wrapping that we put our baskets in and He was impressed which made me feel good because he has always been my One of my biggest critics but also one of my biggest fans like we still have that relationship so I was really glad that he came out and I had some new friends that had never been to power show up and and I got to hang out with them a little bit and show them around and You know everybody got their blessings from my father

Robb (: 14:02

You

Tina (: 14:27

Which they everybody loves my dad, so it was a good time. It was a really good It was a good Good couple of days, but

coming out of that. I was exhausted. I was so tired to the point where all I wanted to do was cry. So the next morning my friend calls up and he and I go riding a lot and he says, I don't want to be here at work. he goes, I want to ditch. And I said, well, let's go. Not thinking that he would take me literally, I just said, let's go, because that's what I always say. Like, let's get on the bikes and go. But he ended up saying, you got an hour.

you got an hour and I'm gonna be there. So let's get ready and let's go. So got on the bikes and he noticed that my energy was just off. My energy was off for most of the day, but I think it was just from.

being so completely drained that all I wanted to do was cry. So we went on the bike together and I was sitting in the back and I had this like moment where I couldn't stop crying. Like the tears were coming out. I felt like I was looking at myself in the mirror going, why are you freaking out right now? Like I had this whole like...

just emotional purge and He was like, you okay? Cuz I guess you could feel it even though he couldn't really see me cuz I was right behind him He goes, are you okay? And I'm like, yeah, I'm good. And he's like, are you sure like yeah I'm just kind of tired and kept going but at the end he's like, alright, what was really going on and I was super emotional don't know why just tired I guess but the the motorcycle ride, although it was it wasn't like all

Robb (: 16:08

Right.

Tina (: 16:16

Come completely happy like I am most of the time. I worked out whatever it was and I feel so much better I think just being on for two days and having to talk to people and and do and be was a lot a lot of energy went out so I'm so grateful that he ditched worked and said let's go riding because I would have laid in bed and cried and been pissy all day long because that's what I wanted to do

Robb (: 16:42

Right.

Tina (: 16:43

So and not even for a reason you want to know what the worst part of the weekend was everybody paid with credit cards and it pissed me off because I wanted to see the money in my hand, you know, because I I gave them physically what they wanted and then they gave me the card and so I don't feel like we really

Robb (: 17:00

Right.

Tina (: 17:06

I feel like we did is yeah, you don't see it. So that's my biggest complaint. Really? Do I have anything to complain about? Absolutely not. But there is something that makes me happy about seeing money in my hands. Yes.

Robb (: 17:06

Yeah, because you don't see the bulk.

Robb (: 17:20

Well, because it's tangible. Yeah, I can I can totally understand that. Yeah. When you. It's hard not getting like swapping things, you know, the old barter system. I can totally get that. You know, it's it's interesting for sure.

Tina (: 17:32

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 17:36

And I think about it, I'm like, really? You don't even have a reason to complain. Stop your shit. Like, you you made it. You were interviewed for the newspaper. You sold half of everything you made. Like I sold six months worth of work.

in two days. So yeah, there's nothing really to complain about. I was just really tired. And I'm, I was so grateful that he dug me out of that hole. Because once I get into it, and I want to cry, I'll do it for a couple days. And it has nothing to do with anything recently even going on. It's stuff from it could be stuff from years ago that I didn't deal with or didn't get out of my system. So it was a good time. It's a really good time.

Robb (: 17:55

That's cool.

Robb (: 18:16

Right.

Robb (: 18:20

It's an interesting thing too, because when you start a hobby, for whatever reason, a podcast, mean, yeah, photography, whatever it is, because I mean, me and you, have, my hobby's always turned into something crazy, right? So like wrestling turned into a 20 year career, where.

Tina (: 18:27

Like a podcast, maybe? Like anything.

Tina (: 18:40

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 18:43

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 18:45

Where also I was in the newspaper several times. I was in magazines, was in, I have DVD covers that were in Best Buy. Like it's pretty cool. I can, it is neat when you have something that you can look back on and see a quote or, you know, and if you can get a, is it digital or is it a real paper?

Tina (: 18:50

Yeah.

Tina (: 19:07

I read it online.

Robb (: 19:09

So what I would do is I would screenshot that just so you have it. So you can like, you know, keep it. Cause somewhere in a box somewhere I have like the magazines that me and my old partner were in or, or, you know, whatever was around. tried to keep most of that. It's in a box somewhere. But those hobbies turn into something. And then the next thing you know, you're like, there's a fine line between hobby and business.

Tina (: 19:12

Yeah.

Tina (: 19:38

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 19:39

You know what I mean? like, like photography, I love taking pictures of people. There's nothing better than either families or taking pictures of people and making them feel pretty. It's just great. But every single person I know is like, you should be making money. You should be making money. And they just pounded into me. And it's to the point where I'm like, I probably could and I could probably do, you know, a nice secondary income, but then it becomes a job.

It's like, do I do I want another job? It's like,

Tina (: 20:08

Yes.

Tina (: 20:13

Yeah, but isn't it cool that things that interest you turn into...

other tank of gas every every: 5000

Robb (: 20:32

You

Robb (: 20:44

Right.

Tina (: 20:49

Entertain me, but it cost a shit ton of money You know the podcast and stuff when we started I had to buy a computer and you gave me most of the stuff I have like 90 % of it absolutely But it was still you know it costs money to get started the baskets I can't tell you how much money we put into baskets, but I wonder if we've even recouped our

Robb (: 20:52

Sure. Right. See, I think that's what you need to start doing now is seeing is putting yourself again.

Not like a crazy business. You don't want to get out of control because you still want to enjoy it But you should kind of go. Okay, this is what we sprint. This is what we made, you know, where's the the in between it's like look I've I've done photos for a long time. I've spent way more money than I've ever made And I mean by a lot

Tina (: 21:25

Yeah, yeah.

Tina (: 21:40

For sure. For sure. But then I also think of it, I needed something that kept me busy. I needed something that kept my cousins around me. I needed something that gave me pride. so, you know, putting the money out, it would be like I could go to the movies and I could spend 50, 60 bucks at the movies. No problem. But...

Robb (: 21:59

Yeah, quickly. my goodness.

Tina (: 22:06

It's two hours and I have nothing to show for it. We spend the whole day together. We get lunch. We sit down. We shoot the shit. We may smoke a little weed. I can't believe I'm saying that. I know. But and we do a lot of prayer and and a lot of we put a lot of our heart into these things when we're doing them and and and you know what?

What's the cost of all that? Like I think there it didn't cost anything the value we get out of it is way better and and I enjoy it. I really do I'm having I I don't like the part of having to put myself out there for people to judge my work because That still makes me a little insecure. I'm not gonna lie But most people are like, my gosh, I've never seen anything like this. I I'm so impressed like

Robb (: 22:49

Sure.

I get that. you

Tina (: 22:59

like it so it for that reason I enjoy doing it it's been you know I always I'm always in my life doing something that's completely out of my comfort zone like I could tell you probably 30 things off the top of my head I've done that was so out of my comfort zone and I did not know what I was doing and and lo and behold I make something out of it so I'm kind of

kind of blessed in that way that I could do that in. And it does make me happy. It was a really good time. And...

I don't know. It's it's a part of me and I just get to be me and and I found I have a friend that always says just be you just be you just be you who cares if they judge you who cares what they say I've been judged by family my whole life like people think now that they judge me that that it's gonna hurt my feelings and I'm like You're not shit compared to what I grew up with. So I don't care but the judgment still makes me a little insecure, but I know that when I'm feeling like

Robb (: 24:03

I think

Tina (: 24:04

I'm insecure. It's a green light for me to bust through and do it anyway. And so when my friend said, just do it anyway, just do it anyway, I'm like, I'm doing it, I'm doing it. It's just still not easy, damn it. Like, let me just, let me get my bearings and I'll get back to it, you know? It's been kind of cool.

kind of like who I'm becoming as a person. Now that I'm in my 50s, I could say that. I don't, not when I met you, I was not that way at all.

Robb (: 24:38

You know, I think the biggest thing for doing what you're doing, yes. And it's funny because that you're kind of weird about being in front of all those people and you're in the customer service industry.

Tina (: 24:52

Yeah, but that's one person not you know, we had eight or nine people like just walking up and just asking questions all at once and I'm like

And and my cousin she's not one to answer she stays quiet and just looks to me like if somebody says these are beautiful I'm the one that says thank you. She just like kicks back and lets me do it and God bless her I love her to pieces, but sometimes I'm like I'm like my gosh I don't want to do anymore, and she'll just sit there and be like yeah She's got it. You know, but I think that's also my personality too. I don't think it's so much hurts me it's Out of control

Robb (: 25:29

Right. But it is, you know, yes, you'll get used to that. mean, look, I got thrown into doing customer service when I was like 20 years old and I worked at a retail location where like it's just like that all day long. It was just human being after human being after human being. So, yes, it can it can also be a lot.

Tina (: 25:32

Ha

Tina (: 25:46

Yeah.

Robb (: 25:55

It'll fuck with your noggin. You can, you know, it can be a crazy thing. The other thing is that you can meet a lot of cool people. You just never know who you're going to meet it, you know, and and where that's going to end up going. So that's kind of an interesting thing as well. The. So like, and again, then once I got into wrestling, that really broke me of that shit. You know, when you have when it's only two of you and everyone's looking at you, it's.

You start to feel like are they judging my work? Because that and as a performer, that's exactly how you feel and I did for the first Five or seven years we would go home and watch every tape after we would do it Then you get to about a ten-year veteran and I would fucking go home and get undressed and wash my clothes and go to sleep I didn't you just go. Okay. I know what I'm doing is

Tina (: 26:29

Yeah.

Robb (: 26:52

I know where I'm at. I'm good at what I do. They keep hiring me. So in your case, it's they keep buying. People are buying. You have to look at it to, you know, at some point where performance is just they're buying. So you're doing good. I think in your case, you need to just know that your work is good.

Tina (: 27:22

Yeah.

Robb (: 27:22

Do you know what I mean? You're gonna just get to a point where you look at baskets you made in the beginning to baskets you make now. Right.

Tina (: 27:33

Yeah, I kept a couple because my cousin wouldn't let me throw a moe because in the beginning they were shit They were horrible. They weren't tied. The pine needles weren't tucked in It was it was a complete it looks like a kid made it made the first few and now I look and I'm like I dare you to criticize my work sit down and see if you could do better because that's where I'm at now I'm at that level and even with hair and stuff, you know, you talk about it if if I look every

Robb (: 27:56

Sure.

Tina (: 28:03

everything that I've ever enjoyed doing, I make money at. Like, who knew I was gonna be a hairdresser 34 years later? You know? And that's been my...

my business for the whole time and I've ran it myself the whole time. didn't know what I don't know what I'm doing any of the time I do it. Like, let's start a podcast. We're sitting at Denny's. had no idea that I was going to commit to something for four years. You know, I think of these things. I'm like, how did I?

Robb (: 28:36

I know right

Tina (: 28:42

How did I get so far? But then I also think when when I'm being insecure You need to stop acting like a fool because everything you do you've turned into something That's profited That's made your life better That's that's made you have closer relationships to people

You know, like you and my cousin, I'm super close with. work. We have to talk. We have to be close. We have to we have to compromise. I don't think we really compromise. We just go with the flow. Both both relationships I have with you and my cousin are very similar. Like, yeah, let's just do it. OK, let's just try it. Yeah, it's.

Robb (: 29:23

Yeah, will agree with you though, like we sat in a Denny's and and you know, I talked it up really big but I was still and my side was going hope I can do this

Tina (: 29:35

Yeah, you didn't know, we didn't know what venue to produce this on. didn't know. You didn't know how to edit. You didn't know. I don't know how you did that. Like, I think about that all the time. It's a good thing he knew because I had a hard time getting my stuff that I need to plug in to be able to talk to you. I had a hard time just managing that.

Robb (: 29:41

No. Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 29:59

You know, like this morning when we came on, I said, do you hear me? And you just shook your head no. I was like, shit, okay, I gotta figure this out. But four years in, I mean, come on, you check the obvious, yeah.

Robb (: 30:10

Yeah, now you're now you get it. Well, now you now, you know the list to go down to troubleshoot. It's like this one. No, this one. that's it. OK, we're good. Yeah, in the very beginning, like, thank thankful for YouTube because it it helped me with like the editing side and and a lot of the software that I use will kind of walk you through it. But now, like. It's it's it really kind of works itself through.

Tina (: 30:16

Yes.

Tina (: 30:39

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 30:39

where where it's like, you know, I can edit a show as long as it's not absurdly bumpy or I have to cut out in, you know, words out because I don't ever like people. don't think people don't understand that I don't edit this show at all. I never take. I take background noise out and I take names if we flub every blue moon will say like.

Tina (: 30:56

Yeah, you just take the background noise out of it.

Robb (: 31:07

My son's name or your brother. Yeah. Whoever somebody's I've I've done it a couple of times. I usually I do it with my son's name just because I'm used to calling him that. So it's it's easy to to roll off my my mouth when I'm, you know, saying something about him. But. know, thankfully, I learned all that stuff.

Tina (: 31:09

My brother, my cousin. It's normally me that does it.

Robb (: 31:35

You know fairly quickly and now I can I can edit a show as long as it's not crazy I can probably edit a show in under 20 minutes

Tina (: 31:45

Wow.

Robb (: 31:45

Yeah, where in the beginning it was, man, it was rough. It was, was really hard in the beginning just because I didn't know what to do. Now I have a template. have, I have filters that are built into that template. So I don't, the only thing I do is cut out a little background noise and cut out some names and every blue moon. If somebody's on the show that doesn't want their voice to be the same, I fix that. Yeah.

Tina (: 31:55

I think.

Tina (: 32:13

yeah, we've done that too.

Robb (: 32:15

Couple of people actually that I've tweaked a voice here and there just to hide it because, you know, look, we've had some we've had some serious shit on here that if you if you look back and it's funny, you talked about weed, there's a show on weed. I just don't know which number it is. But, know, we've had assault victims, we've had people on that have talked about, I mean, serious, serious stuff. So, you know, I want to make sure to protect the.

Tina (: 32:17

Yeah.

Robb (: 32:44

the people who are nice enough to come on the show and talk these things with us so you know it's it's I think it's important if you know for anybody who ever does want to come on the show just feel that you know we'll we work with you for sure it's not the other way

Tina (: 33:01

Yeah, you know what's funny too about all of this is that every bit of it has scared the bejeebus out of me.

Starting a business is not easy. I remember going back to doing hair. I had no idea What I was doing there were days I was working on clients and I didn't know how to fix their hair and One of the women that I did a show about her passing

One of the women that I worked with would see me struggling or trying to figure it out and she would say, Hey, teen, did you get your box in the back? I'm getting ready to leave. So coming back, let me give it to you. And then she would go in back and help me mix whatever I was going to use. And she told me exactly what to do to do it. And that's how I learned. Like I learned hands on, not not knowing shit about doing hair.

Robb (: 33:58

Right. you

Tina (: 34:01

And they didn't teach that in school. They don't teach a lot of things in school. So to me, it was like. It was it was so hard and I didn't know anybody at 20 that was starting their own business and and making a go of it, not knowing shit. And my parents didn't know shit to tell me about it, that, know, it was all just do it. You know, my mom, when when I started in the business at 20 years old, my mom was 39.

Robb (: 34:19

Right. you

Tina (: 34:31

You know, she was, she hadn't started her own business. like, I don't know everything I did. My dad says you, whenever I hear you talking about doing something, you've already got it figured out and you've probably already got it running before I even find out because you'll, you don't talk about something you don't make happen. And

Robb (: 34:55

Yes. you

Tina (: 34:55

Think that that's for him. I think that's been hard to watch because he he's like she doesn't know what the hell she's doing I know she doesn't know what the hell she's doing here. She is just jumping in both feet again, you know But I think if I could do it anybody could do it I think everybody should Find a passion and do something with it and and make it something so you see it Happen from the ground up. I think that's important

Robb (: 35:22

Yeah, I agree, you know, I had ideas for this show The this show is pretty much exactly what we talked about it, Danny

Tina (: 35:30

Yeah.

Robb (: 35:38

With a few tweaks here and there but I think the the core Idea is exactly what this is four years later

Tina (: 35:49

I never even listened to a podcast when we started this. But my friends had said, you're a good talker. You should do a podcast. like, yeah, yeah, maybe I will. And then when you said you wanted to do one, I said, well, I wanted to do one too, but I have no idea. was, I...

It had never was a thought to actually make it happen. It was just, it was a thought. Yeah, I should do that. Like it would be something I was open to. And then when we were talking about all of our, our COVID drama and shit that was going on that we hated and they like what came out. Yeah. Look at what came out of it.

Robb (: 36:26

All our life issues. All right.

Tina (: 36:30

Yeah, because that was a horrible time. Just split up from my ex. I was just moving back home. I couldn't work. The shops were closed down. Like we were literally just shut down. And I couldn't see my friends. And I couldn't talk to my people. And my mom wasn't around anymore.

You know, my dad was here and I was worried about getting him sick just from going out to eat with you. we really, we really came a long way. That was a very scary time for both of us. And looking back, it, it's. It sparked this whole new life that we have. Who knew?

Robb (: 37:15

Yeah, that was an interesting sit down for sure.

Tina (: 37:19

Yeah.

Robb (: 37:19

I know we've probably talked about it like many times, mostly the early shows. But yeah, you know, I was going through a bunch of fun personal issues with people in my life. So, you know, it was nice to sit down and just talk. then I had zero idea you were going through a divorce. Matter of fact, you told me at the table.

Tina (: 37:44

Really?

Robb (: 37:48

Because like you're like, yeah this and I was like, huh, I'm sorry Yeah, and then I just remember like and it was like I Yeah

Tina (: 37:53

Yeah, we had decided that we were going to do it and then I didn't tell anybody for like nine months.

And you were one of the first people I told because I it was on my mind and I couldn't keep it off my mind to have a conversation and not tell you. So, yeah, I kept my mouth shut, which blows people away. I know that I could keep my mouth shut for nine months, but I do filter what I say. And it was the most lonely, loneliest, most scary time of my life.

Robb (: 38:12

You

Tina (: 38:32

It was definitely something that I did a lot of crying over, you know, and were we making the right choices and were we doing the right thing? But I think we just ran out and it was time to do that. But looking back, I don't know how I got through it all. mean, I know I numbed out, I numbed out, but damn, that was a hard nine months.

And you were one of the first people that I told. Yeah.

Robb (: 39:03

Yeah, it was a that was a trying time for us for sure I was going through my own crazy shit and and look at the end of the day, I mean It's not easy divorce is not easy just not I mean, I don't care. Oh It's worse long run yeah

Tina (: 39:08

Yeah.

Tina (: 39:20

Yeah, it's definitely not, but being with somebody when you know the time is up is harder. Yeah, yeah.

Robb (: 39:31

Mostly, like I said, I've seen it with friends that were not even married, but with people that they just shouldn't have been with. And it went on forever and ever, ever. Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 39:45

yeah, because before COVID, everybody was so busy with their lives. They weren't living them. They were just staying busy with them. So when it finally stopped and everybody had to look at what they had, it very much changed. It changed the perspective like to no end. So.

Robb (: 40:03

you

Robb (: 40:09

Yeah. Well, and I think a lot of people too, once they realized they had to be stuck with people that they weren't in love with anymore for months at a time, it either brought people together or it pushed them apart. was a powder keg. That was such a wild time. I mean, for goodness sakes, we went to a Denny's with masks on, sat down, took them off, ate, then put them back on and walked out. How our brains were working at that time were

Tina (: 40:18

Yeah.

Robb (: 40:39

in utter chaos.

Tina (: 40:40

And I almost I I was very sick also during that nine month time I I Be in a hairdresser and you get varicose veins so I went and had them use they do with this procedure where they go into the main veins in your crotch area and they go down and they they glue the veins that have

that have problems with them and then the blood just goes to a different vein. Well, I was highly allergic to that.

And I was so sick. I was almost hospitalized, but they didn't hospitalize me because it was covid. I had a rash from like my waist down all the way. was swollen, severely swollen, hot, itchy, sick to my stomach because of the medicine I had to take. Like I was going through all of this in that nine month span and keeping my darn mouth shut. Like

My ex didn't take me to any of the doctor's appointments. He did not stop working to help me. He He was in a different place. He just went like Silent on me so

Robb (: 41:44

You You

Tina (: 41:55

Like even during that time, he doesn't know how close I was to being hospitalized and sick to the point of they were worried about my breathing and my heart and it affected so many things. And here I am, like starting a podcast in the middle of all of that. Like who?

Robb (: 42:11

Right.

Tina (: 42:18

And again, I don't think you knew that was going on. No, one of my mom's best friends, she had to take me to doctor's appointments because my ex just wouldn't. He was checked out. And she took me to all of them. She's saved my life so many times, I can't even tell you. I don't know what I would do without her. But during that time...

Wow, was that hard? And then she was like, I would just cry and she thought it was about me being sick and it was about me getting divorced and I still didn't tell her. It was a crazy time. I think we've come a long way.

Robb (: 42:55

Yeah, I mean, look, life has a way of changing super quickly. And I think as you get older, like we do, you're less likely to let it wait.

Tina (: 43:01

It does.

Robb (: 43:11

You know what mean? Like when we were 20, it was so easy to like, it was like lighting a candle, right? You just like, okay, whatever. We'll wait for it to blow up when it blows up. Now it's like, you've got to push it. You're like, well, don't have many years left. I maybe got 30, so I better make it count. And I better make these ones count more because I'm still young.

Tina (: 43:38

Yeah. You know, I would honestly say that turning 40 was a huge, was monumental change in my life. Like everything shifted. We've talked about that. And then when COVID hit five years ago, I was like 49. That was a huge reset again.

Robb (: 43:40

Mm-hmm. you

Tina (: 44:04

But coming out of it, I think I like who I am way better than I ever have.

Like I've dealt with some things that I needed to deal with. I had to reset my triggers and what I worry about. And you you have to. I think we've changed so much in the last five years. And I think a big part of it was being able to talk about this and doing it, being vulnerable on a podcast. You know, we've done a lot of...

Robb (: 44:32

Sure. You

Tina (: 44:37

growth and healing but damn does it have to be so freaking hard for us to change cuz I wonder you know it did the lessons have to be that hard and I'm sure they did because we did it we did something about it but I don't want to be that that slow of a learner anymore

Robb (: 44:57

I totally agree. I'm doing my best to not do that anymore. Yeah, I just think now like you have to

Tina (: 45:02

I notice you're doing things differently and I sit back and I just watch because that's what I do and we'll talk about it but you've changed a lot and how you act to people and things that are happening in your life have gotten, they've changed dramatically.

Robb (: 45:26

You have to be the most honest you can with everything and everyone. So, I mean, things are changing in my life. My son, he wants to leave the state. So, you know, he's growing up. He's at a point in his life where he wants to do things differently. So now I need to put my life, you know, I have to start thinking about what my future is, where I'm going to be, what do I want to do?

You know things just change so I think you have to be able to really kind of sit back now and Look at your life From the standpoint of hey Every decision now is is a little serious But you also It is I agree I think it should be at some point it does have to be about you

Tina (: 46:15

But it's all about me, too. It's just about me.

Robb (: 46:24

You know, and I think everyone should think that way. Look, I love my child uncontrollably and I've had him since he was six years old. I've never not had him in my life. But I mean, post divorce, post divorce, like, yeah, at six years old, we got divorced, so he went with me. So I've always had him. So for me, this is something that's. It's totally new and it. I.

Tina (: 46:35

You've had him his whole life, actually. Yeah.

Robb (: 46:54

I want him to do what he wants to do. you know, and it's, it going to be hard? Absolutely. I know being, being here alone is probably going to be a very difficult thing to do, but that's just part of life. I, but I want him to go and have fun and do something new and start his life. He's, you he's a young man.

Tina (: 46:59

Yeah.

Tina (: 47:20

And you want him to be able to take care of himself like we've learned to take care of ourselves.

Robb (: 47:23

Yeah, and and I think he what he's doing now he's he's definitely changed and He sees life differently now, I think he must have Woke up one day at 22 years old and went. Yeah, I better get my shit together. I need a career And he's hopefully he's gonna get into this company and

and start a career. His sister works for the company and she has a very solid career and there's a lot of places to go in this company. So he can go up. But yeah, look, things are great and I think things have moved forward for all of us.

And look, I'm glad that you did well with your your powwow and your selling. I think that. It's cool that you found a hobby that for one, it's a it's a good hobby because you only have to leave the house when it's time to sell them. You know what I mean? Like you can you can do the hobby anywhere. You can kind of just kind of sit and do it, which is bitching.

Tina (: 48:38

Yeah.

Robb (: 48:47

So, you know, it's cool. I'm, it's nice to see that you've got and done something that you probably didn't think you'd be doing after you made one basket. It's, it's, it's interesting. I think that's, that should be for everyone now. Every single thing you should do, you should go, who knew? So, you know, you just, you just never.

Tina (: 49:03

That's totally true. Yeah, who knew?

Robb (: 49:16

You don't know where you're going to be, whether it's, you know, six minutes or six months. Yeah. I agree. And I think that sometimes you have to put things to rest while you're doing it. Some things.

Tina (: 49:24

No, you know, I guess I guess the lesson is take the leap and do it anyway like when it comes up just go with it and and find your strength because you will

Tina (: 49:43

Yeah. Yeah.

Robb (: 49:45

are your past and they need to stay in the past and some things that are the past shouldn't be involved in your future. You know, the past is the past and it's, look, and I've learned lots of things from it. Lots of things from the past, but sometimes it's, gotta make choices and jump in and.

Tina (: 49:59

Yep, that's for sure.

Robb (: 50:13

And keep doing whatever it is that makes you happy because you're only here once I think that's where you end up being happy Yeah, cuz the scary shit is the things that you at the end you go, man, so glad I fucking did this Yeah, that's exactly what I needed and I didn't see it coming so and and

Tina (: 50:17

I think you should do the things that make you scared because that's where the most growth comes from and I think that's what I've been doing Yeah, it is

Tina (: 50:33

That's exactly what I needed.

Tina (: 50:40

Yep.

Robb (: 50:42

Because the things that you that you put a lot of thing into and then it doesn't happen you go, okay, and you learn a lesson and and and and I want to say that it's not a bad lesson Yep Alrighty well 51 minutes later. I got a potty and I got to eat

Tina (: 50:56

Right? It's just something you need to go through. And it builds strength and character.

Tina (: 51:08

taking dad for his more more chemo so I gotta run

Robb (: 51:10

All right, well you get going it's an opinion show don't get it twisted Just you know where to find us and share the show share share share. Thanks for who's been listening We're having a great month, and we're only seven days in thanks for listening, and we'll see you in a week. Bye

Tina (: 51:26

See ya.