EP # 256 The Lindsey Clancy case and its societal implications.

Robb (: 00:02

Show, don't get this twisted. I am Rob, along with my co host as always, the returning from vacation. Tina, what's going on?

Tina (: 00:11

I'm so tired. I'm so tired. I I I blew my my coming home on my vacation by two days because I looked at the reservation wrong and thought that I had to be in Pittsburgh Airport leaving at twelve thirty five when in fact it was nine thirty five and when I got to the airport, yeah, my plane was already gone, so

And I bought it off of one of those traveling websites, so in order to take to get me home it took two days and an extra eighty eight dollars. But I made it.

Robb (: 00:51

Only eighty eight, you made out okay, I think. 'Cause let me tell ya, they they could have got you for a lot more.

Tina (: 00:55

Yeah. Let me eat it. But I gotta tell you, the the weather was really shitty there. It was raining and hot and just muggy. And then the last two days that I was there that I shouldn't have been there, it was great weather. So I got to see the state in a different perspective, which was awesome. And

Robb (: 01:15

And then you came home to hot and muggy.

Tina (: 01:18

I came home too hot and muggy. Well, they were saying, Why'd you bring the heat with you? you know, when I when I went out there, 'cause it was hot here to get out there and I guess it was a lot of rain here.

Robb (: 01:30

Sunday, yeah.

Tina (: 01:31

And then I came back and is it's hot and wet here.

Robb (: 01:36

Yeah, it's Sunday, it it rained a lot at my house. And I mean pretty much all day.

Tina (: 01:45

Bars.

Robb (: 01:46

Yeah, it's pretty wild. It was pretty wild. And I it was supposed to be like nicer, cooler weather. And even even Sunday I think here it was like almost eighty. It was just like it was balls. It was bad.

Tina (: 01:59

Yikes. But it was a great place to go and see and experience and my friends great, everybody's good. It it was just a really good time. And the last two days were probably the best. So I'm in a way I feel bad that I that I didn't come home when I was supposed to, but not all that much. I'm fine. I mean I don't I know I had to be back, but it worked out okay. Nobody died, so we're good.

Robb (: 02:20

Ha ha ha

Robb (: 02:25

Right, right, right. So everything everything was good.

Tina (: 02:28

Actually that's not even true. My Yeah, somebody did pass. My uncle passed away and he lived in Pittsburgh, which is kind of funny because that's where I was. I flew in and out of Pittsburgh, so he passed yesterday, I found out this morning when I got home, so it was kinda weird. Anyway. Another story.

Robb (: 02:52

Yeah. But and it really wild, someone who works for my company, they died on Friday. Yeah, not where I work, but in the company. Pretty wild. And we didn't find out in well my branch didn't find out until today, but one of the other guys who knows somebody at that branch told him. He had pancreatic cancer, and I guess he was kind of

Tina (: 02:59

Hmm.

Robb (: 03:21

I don't wanna say hiding it, but like didn't tell a lot of people. So

Tina (: 03:26

That's not a cancer that you Yeah, you don't survive it. But literally like how do you not tell people at that point because it's gonna happen, like your mortality rate is high. Why would you not say anything? I get it though, because then people say stuff like, well, my uncle had it and he lasted two months You know, I people are so lame. But

Robb (: 03:30

You d you don't survive it generally.

Robb (: 03:42

Yes.

Tina (: 03:54

I get why he didn't, but yeah, damn, you don't get to say goodbye that way.

Tina (: 04:01

Makes it rough.

Robb (: 04:02

It yeah, it does. It's pretty well.

Tina (: 04:05

I'm sorry to hear that.

Robb (: 04:06

Yeah, it's kinda weird. It's very I mean, I really didn't know the guy, but I had talked to him a couple of times. But it is wild. Like it's just and it's weird 'cause someone has to like, you know, my manager came up and he goes, Hey, just so you guys know, I need to tell you that you know, this guy passed away Friday. We're like, wow. Like, you know, it's just I mean it's happened to me before, but it is still kind of a

You know, you're just not ready for it. You're like, yeah, like I just talked to this guy like a week ago. Wild.

Tina (: 04:41

It is wild.

Robb (: 04:42

Yeah. So we were talking before, about what we should talk about. And we generally don't dive too deep into the political theater of the internet and things going on very often. I know we did Diddy, which was kind of funny.

Tina (: 05:02

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 05:07

Mostly then because now they're looking back on it and it was just baby oil and crazy shit and he's in prison now. this one with the Lindsay Clancy case is obviously in the in the news. it you know there there's a lot of things going on. obviously it's a trial about murdering your children.

Also one about mental health. postpartum. And I would say very much so the thoughts of hormonal issues with women. mostly because they're using that as her defense.

Tina (: 05:42

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 06:04

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 06:05

Because this young lady, sh she admitted to doing it.

So the the guilt of of murdering her children or not is not up for speculation. She said she did it. But she also said she was hearing voices and and that she

Robb (: 06:31

She had been to doctors and had

Robb (: 06:40

She was on meds. There was there was a lot of things going on. I don't know the whole case, but I'll I'm I just kind of Googled it really quick. So basically she killed three of her children, one five, one three, and one eight-month-old. she she strangled them all with exercise bands.

Tina (: 06:57

Adorable little kids too.

Robb (: 07:04

And then afterwards she attempted suicide by slashing her wrists and her neck. And then she jumped from a second story window, which left her paralyzed from the waist down. Okay, that's that's why if you've seen her, she is in a wheelchair because she can no longer walk.

Tina (: 07:22

Damn.

Robb (: 07:23

Which, I guess I guess, you know, which side of the fence you're on is kind of funny. Well, because i I mean, either way she's never gonna walk again. So if someone tries to get her, what's she gonna do? Wheel away real fast?

Tina (: 07:34

What do you mean, funny?

Tina (: 07:43

That's true.

Robb (: 07:46

look, there there's a lot to take in. I I've heard a lot of different things. There's I think I have I sent a video to somebody. I just don't remember who. And it was basically this

Older lady explaining basically what's going to happen if she's found innocent.

I got I'm gotta I'm I'm trying to look it up. it was a very interesting take on what this woman thinks is going to happen and how it's going to affect

Tina (: 08:14

Mm.

Robb (: 08:33

How people see women going forward and how it's going to damage feminism and damage how we look at women, because obviously, without getting too deep, women are hormonal. And so are we. Just a different kind.

One the one of the things this lady said is what's going to happen is the next time a woman is sexually assaulted, the guy is going to use the defense that he just has high testosterone levels and he couldn't help it because he was hearing voices.

Tina (: 09:14

Mm.

Robb (: 09:16

so I I think it's basically what people are thinking are what is the long term things with this? Like, what are the repercussions that come from this if she's found innocent? And it's a good question, you know. What is it? What does happen? What

How are we going to start seeing the these things through a different lens, you know? which it I think it is kind of scary because you just you don't know what people are really going to start thinking because of this. Yeah, because it is scary. I go. You were gonna say something.

Tina (: 09:50

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 10:02

After it's all over. Yeah.

Tina (: 10:12

yeah. Somebody was asking me about this because they remembered that back in the day when I was doing fertility treatments, they had me on the drug study to try to get me pregnant because they weren't finding what was wrong with me or my my ex husband. So they they were just blasting me and I mean blasting me full of hormones.

to the point where at one point I was sitting in the in the kitchen just crying and my ex was asking me what's wrong and I'm like, I don't know, but I wish you'd fifty one fifty me because I'm afraid of of what I'm feeling and how I'm feeling. And he struggled. He struggled with me so much during that time because of all the the medications I was taking. It was so bad that

One of my clients worked for the pharmacy and she sent me my my medications every couple of weeks. And it was a packing box full of shots, lozenges, things that you put in your mouth at a certain time, things that you put up inside of you at a certain time. Like there were so many drugs in this box that I had to deal with on a day-to-day.

that I had to put like a spreadsheet together to know what I was doing and to make sure I was doing it when and how and everything. It was shit show. And and it it just it made me a different person. I I don't know how to describe it other than I was not myself because I'm not one to y to cry into and to say you know and to plead with somebody please fifty one fifty me because I don't know what I'm gonna do with myself.

Robb (: 11:42

So it like a cocktail.

Tina (: 12:05

Have you ever heard me say that? I mean, I just don't. I normally handle my shit. But all those hormones that I was taking definitely made me a different person and I could not control my emotions. So I see how a woman that's going through that struggle would have a really hard time.

I d I didn't kill anybody over it though. And and and I would think, Well shit, if you're going through that you'd kill yourself, but why would you ever do that to your kids? That doesn't make sense to me.

Robb (: 12:32

N no.

Robb (: 12:40

Yeah. There there's other things again, I I didn't follow the whole thing and I don't know a lot, but there from what I understand, she sent her husband away to go pick something up so she could do it. So

Tina (: 12:53

Yeah. And then her mother in law actually testified for her on her behalf because she was telling her mother in law what she was going through. So if I'm not mistaken, her mother in law was on the stand and had to in her defense.

Robb (: 13:07

My my only argument my only argument to a lot of this is look, we we work in a system, okay, let's say you're bananas, right? I d I mean well okay. Here I'm gonna play something first because I found that what I was talking about. We'll we'll listen to this and then you can tell me what you think.

Tina (: 13:19

Your bananas.

You found it, okay.

Robb (: 13:32

From that day forward, every job application is gonna have a new question. Are you currently hormonal? Well, I'm a woman. Thank you. I think I'll be going in a different direction. You can't carry a weapon anymore. No female police officers. Sorry, but we can't handle a loaded gun to somebody whose legal defense might be my hormones were acting up. No more high-stress jobs either. No air traffic controllers, no surgeons.

No nuclear launch codes, one bad hot flash and boom. And women definitely can't be judges. How can you decide whether somebody else is emotionally stable when your own gender just established in court that hormones can make you kill three people? No female politicians either. You can't be trusted to run the country if, according to your own argument, your endocrine system occasionally takes over the government.

And custody hearings are gonna change overnight. The judge will say, ordinarily, children belong with their mother. However, according to the Lindsey Clancy precedent, she may be only one hormone away from a Netflix documentary. Kids go to dad. Dad doesn't know their shoe sizes, the pediatrician's name, or which one's allergic to peanuts. But his testosterone has never been successfully used as an insanity.

Tina (: 14:28

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 14:44

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 14:57

Feminists spent a hundred years saying women aren't hysterical, irrational creatures controlled by their biology. And one defense attorney walks into court and says, Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, have you considered the uterus? You can't demand equal authority and then ask for discounted accountability. If women want equal rights, great. But equal rights come with equal wrongs. Otherwise, that glass ceiling is about to become

Padded ceiling.

Tina (: 15:30

Hmm That's true though.

Robb (: 15:34

I mean, that woman makes a very, very, very good point.

Tina (: 15:40

Yes.

Robb (: 15:41

Because now it's y you're go you're going to draw a line in the sand. And sh and do I believe it's gonna get there? It I sure hope not. But I will tell you that I think if she's found innocent, there are going to be people who

on the other side of whatever fence it is that you your our imaginary fence, the ones who believe that she shouldn't go to prison and the ones who believe that she should, the ones who think they should are going to press this kind of thing as soon as it happens.

Tina (: 16:19

Absolutely. Absolutely. And should

Robb (: 16:23

And I mean I here's my thing. And what I was gonna argue before I played that, and we'll get back to that. There there's we live in a thing, you if you don't want your baby, and I mean like a newborn, you have one, you have it in your house, you're a teenager, you have it in your house. What is the one thing you can do without getting in trouble in this country?

Tina (: 16:46

Take it to the fire department.

Robb (: 16:48

Take it to the fire department. Take it to the police department.

Tina (: 16:51

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 16:52

This lady could have taken her kids anywhere. She could have dropped them off at a park alone and they would have been better off.

So my argument is it she she sent her husband away, she strangled her kids to death, and then slit her wrists and jump out of a window. She knew what she did, that's why she jumped out of a window. so my my argument on on for the side of being guilty.

Tina (: 17:17

Yeah.

Robb (: 17:24

I I'm just one to say this. People go, well, you don't understand postpartum. And you know, she had voices in her head. Okay, I'll give you that. Let's say she did. So did Richard Ramirez. So did Jeffrey Dahmer. So did Ted Bundy.

Tina (: 17:42

Mm. Yeah, it's it's no excuse because she could have just told her husband, Get them outta here, I'm and she could have left. I mean there could have been a hundred things she could have done besides that. And she didn't do those.

Robb (: 17:56

Correct. That's my argument. Exactly. Cra like and look, I I I don't believe personally that there should be an insanity plea. Sorry. I I just don't buy it. You're crazy, I'm sorry. We'll dress you up like a clown and put you in the electric chair. It's unfortunate. me and my son were out talking and he you know, he's Gen Z? Gen Z. Right.

Tina (: 18:14

Mm.

Robb (: 18:26

Because Jen Alpha's younger than him. So and we were he has been talking to his friends about it. And it kind of an odd thing. I don't know who the the demographic must be like millennials and young Gen Xers that are fighting for her. Because he's again, I don't know who his friends are, but he said that most of them agree that she should be put in prison. it

Tina (: 18:45

Okay.

Robb (: 18:53

Because of just common sense. He's like, Look, s he this is what he told me and I was kinda shocked. He goes, Some people just don't belong in the world here.

Tina (: 19:05

That's true.

Robb (: 19:05

It's, you know, there's bad apples, people come out as broken eggs. Way back in the day, we just got rid of humans like that. And I'm I'm not arguing to say that that was correct or not. We just did. If you came out different, they threw you off a mountain.

Tina (: 19:19

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 19:25

Well yeah, during tribal times you're only as strong as your weakest link and if you've got people that are are keeping you down and you gotta make a trek for, you know, whatever amount of miles it is, y you're either gonna drag them down you know, down the hill with you or you're gonna leave them and continue on and be strong.

Robb (: 19:25

They

Robb (: 19:36

Food.

Robb (: 19:46

Yeah. If if you came out of the womb in let's say I'll go further back, bet definitely a tribal, but like the Greeks or the Romans. If you came out male and was missing a limb, they killed you. Because it was a warrior society. You were just dead weight. You were just gonna be somebody who couldn't hunt for food, couldn't help the rest of the people, and you were a you were

Tina (: 20:04

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 20:16

You were a liability. Yeah. So and and again, I'm not saying that that we should do that now. I I don't believe that. We live in a different time. But humans who do crazy shit like that, like I when when I heard that Jeffrey Dahmer got beaten to death in prison, I kinda giggled.

Tina (: 20:16

A liability, yeah.

Tina (: 20:34

I get that.

Robb (: 20:36

You know, karma comes and gets you. It might take a little bit. Or or look, death is waiting for you when you do crazy shit like that. You know, Ted Bundy, it took years to execute him, and they got him.

Tina (: 20:39

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 20:47

Absolutely.

Tina (: 20:53

As they should, and

Robb (: 20:54

Yeah. I'm a little scared about what this is going to do after I heard that woman talk.

You know, it's it and and I'm and my son, the first thing he said is this is exactly what one person is waiting for. He goes, That they're gonna get rid of the nineteenth amendment so women can't vote anymore because they can't make decisions. You know, all these things that that women have fought for, they're going to you try to use this as a scapegoat.

Tina (: 21:02

Yeah, I never even thought about it that way.

Robb (: 21:32

to change that. and I don't believe that that should happen. Look, I I I'm a true believer that, you know, look, w women's rights are great.

Tina (: 21:33

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 21:45

I I think the the government fooled all women into going to work for tax reasons and and a few other things. but with the exception of that, it's we guys have fought for a lot of things that I think if this happens, lots of people are gonna go, hmm.

Tina (: 21:51

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 22:10

They s I saw where did I see it at? Maybe it might have been TikTok or it might have been one of the other social media platforms. But this guy who was a lawyer came out and said there's an uptick right now of men that when they're when their wives were defending her, they're thinking of getting out of their marriage. And lots of people who have already

Tina (: 22:35

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 22:39

their their their fiance backed her and they're like, nope, I'm gone, and backed out of their their wedding.

Tina (: 22:49

Wow.

Robb (: 22:50

Yeah. Now, look, I if it was me and my fiance backed a woman who just killed her children and I'm planning a marriage with someone to maybe have a family, do I want to be with somebody who thinks that that's okay? I mean, it's a it's a legitimate argument to at least on a surface level think about it.

Like that's kind of odd. This girl that I thought was gonna be motherly and thinks that, you don't understand because hormones might make you kill your children. I might not want to be with that person. It's it's definitely you know what I mean? It's and again, I I'm not I I'm not defending. I I'm just going, it's easy to understand.

Tina (: 23:19

Yeah.

Tina (: 23:32

I never even thought of it like that. No nor anything yes. Yes.

Robb (: 23:44

Because like if that's like going like this. If if if you were with somebody, Tina, and the first thing he said was, you know, Ted Bundy really wasn't that bad. They were only prostitutes. You know what I mean? Like you might go, wait a second. no. That's that's that's not what that meant. It it doesn't mean that they they don't deserve to live. They they were just prostitutes. It's like

Tina (: 23:56

Mhm. Yeah, that might strike a nerve. Yeah, of course.

Tina (: 24:06

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 24:14

So you're it's it's dividing my this is what my kid said. And and look, I I I think there's something to it on a funny level, but it the way he said it, he goes, Dad, I think this is a c a CIA like psyop. Like he goes, I think that what they're doing is they're they want her to be innocent because they want to push men and women farther apart.

And I was like, I was like, that's pr wait a second, dude. That is actually kind of sounds correct. He goes, he goes, you don't want to ever have a woman president? This is how you do it. And I was like, holy crap. Like, that's a good point. And if you look at the side who's fighting, which and again, we I do my best not to choose between Democrats and Republicans on here because first of all, I think they're the same side of the coin.

Tina (: 24:42

Mm.

Tina (: 24:53

Interesting.

Robb (: 25:10

Although some are some are a little more conservative and some aren't. But I I said the the best thing that could happen for the Democrats right now, if I was any of the women who want to become president, I'd be on TV right now damning this woman to death. The first thing I'd be, I'd be on going, nope, she's a killer.

Tina (: 25:14

Right.

Robb (: 25:31

I can't believe this. Hormones don't make you murder your children. She needs to be sent to prison. Because it's gonna be, it's gonna make the only logical people on both sides go, yeah, can't can't down her for that. Because it's a small minority that I think think that she should be let off. Or I really fucking hope so.

Tina (: 25:45

Right.

Tina (: 25:54

You know y as much as I've dealt with the hormone things and I could see I could see how much she was troubled with it, I I don't necessarily think that she should get off for that. I mean

Know what it takes for a person to kill their own child, a woman to kill their own child that came out of their body physically? Like it's you gotta be I don't know, is that a person you want in society? I don't I don't know I don't think I I mean, trust me, I I get where she was at 'cause I was there, but

Yeah, do you really want that in society? Do you really want that f walking around with peop with every day to day people? I don't

Robb (: 26:46

Look, do do I think it's a a high thing that it's pro probably it's gonna happen? No. Look, both sexes freak out, murder their families and their children. There's no argument to that. During the same trial, there's been three men who murdered their families and then shot themselves. Yeah. And like big ones all over the country. It might have been even four, I I read somewhere.

Tina (: 26:48

Mm.

Tina (: 27:00

Right.

Tina (: 27:06

Whoa.

Robb (: 27:13

And and this woman was on Instagram or whatever going, I haven't heard crap from men saying that they did wrong. Well, first of all, they all shot themselves, so they're pieces of shit. They're not on trial. And there's not gonna be one man, I hope, defending a man who just murdered his family. Because if he is, that guy's a piece of shit too.

Tina (: 27:32

Right.

Tina (: 27:36

Yeah, men don't get off the same way women do with with hormonal issues and different things of that nature. They're there's they're judged so differently.

Robb (: 27:42

Well it

But men generally kill themselves at the end anyway. Women don't. I don't know why. I although she tried. But like, you know, there was the one lady years ago in Texas, she had five kids. She drowned her kids all in the same bathtub.

Tina (: 27:49

Yeah.

Robb (: 28:02

Yeah. In order from oldest to youngest. Because she knew the oldest ones were gonna fight harder.

Tina (: 28:07

In order.

Robb (: 28:11

She didn't go well, she went to prison, but she ended up in a mental ward for the rest of her life, which is insanity to me.

Tina (: 28:20

What do you mean i w why is that insane? At least she's locked up.

Robb (: 28:23

That she ended up in that that she didn't get put to death.

Tina (: 28:27

there you go. I get you.

Robb (: 28:28

Well, first of all she should have been put in the prison with the bottom feeders 'cause they would have got rid of her.

Tina (: 28:33

Right. They would have handled that.

Robb (: 28:34

Because they don't because it see, and this is well, I mean, I don't know if they do that in women's prison. I shouldn't say that. In men's prison, you do shit to kids, you're probably gonna die within the first couple of weeks. Because they get you. They're and and it which is the wildest thing in the world. You can kill your mother or your or your dad and you can walk free in prison. You f you mess around with kids and they kill you quickly.

There's it it's wild that there's some kind of h you know, l law between crazy people. but so to me it's like and look there there's there's the other like there's a couple of other cases. I know that there was that one girl, what was the girl's name she got off? The Casey Anthony case.

Tina (: 29:08

Yeah.

Robb (: 29:25

But I I don't I don't remember if they found the body or if if but she ended up getting off and she walks free. So, you know, but I think there was less pr they didn't have the same kind of physical evidence that they have against this lady. So right now, here's the now, here's the other flip side of this. They're they're kind of shitting. There was one man that voted n not guilty.

Tina (: 29:40

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 29:53

Or I'm sorry, guilty. Or said that she was not guilty. So it was a mistrial. So they're gonna they're either gonna retry her or she has to come up with some plea deal. Something to that nature. but there's a lot of these women I see online that are like, It figures it's this one guy and he didn't want to, and obviously the other eleven people about I said, Look, okay. Well

Tina (: 29:53

Really?

Robb (: 30:18

I I don't know. They haven't interviewed the guy yet. So I I don't know. But people were saying that like the one guy refused to agree with the other jurors. Now I do believe that it was out of the twelve there was nine women and three men. obviously all the women and I guess the other two men voted with them.

Tina (: 30:28

Mm.

Robb (: 30:41

My thing is this. I I don't know. I wasn't in the room with them, so I I don't want to say that he was right or wrong. I would guess I would need to know all the I would had to be in there, right? You need to be able to know all the the stuff, you know, all the evidence. but here's the thing, the shit on because he's a man is crazy to me. It's like

Tina (: 31:01

All the evidence.

Robb (: 31:08

Look, that this isn't the first time we've had a hung jury or a mistrial. It's not going to be the last. I mean, it's happened before. It'll happen again. Whether it's for a murder trial or, you know, something else. It's it's going to happen and it's happened before. so for me, they're probably going to retry her. And let's say she's found guilty. I

Tina (: 31:14

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 31:36

I think that there's going to be an uproar on both sides. one for yay and one for nay. The now here's the crazy thing that I that her lawyer has said some crazy shit since she got the mistrial. If you can believe this, though the her lawyer said the guy who voted that she was not innocent was.

had issues with her being handicapped, and that's why he did it. And I was like, She's not handicapped. She jumped out of a window and crippled herself. That's a little different than saying she's handicapped. I and I guess.

Tina (: 32:15

She did it herself.

Tina (: 32:24

So he was he was he felt bad for her so he couldn't

Robb (: 32:29

No, no, he said that that's that this guy was phobic of handicapped people, and that's why he he said that she was not innocent. And I was like, this guy's bonkers. I guess he went on some show the today, her lawyer, and said she he asked for President Trump to to give her a pardon. And and the the the people online are like, it's not a federal case, dude. He has he can't stop a state case regardless.

Tina (: 32:55

Yeah.

Robb (: 32:58

So I I don't know. I think we're we're at just such a weird time, Tina, with this. and like I said, I I heard that lady talk and it and it more made me think, like, for you guys, what's going to happen? Because this is

Tina (: 33:18

It's hard to say, but it sounds like this is one of those things that's gonna change so much. It definitely could.

Robb (: 33:25

It it could. I think that's the bigger thing. It could definitely, it's going to skew people's views. So I'll I'll give you the first one that's the easiest one. Let's say the presidency. When people go to cast a ballot now, someone might go, Do I really want to vote for this lady? She might do this. That's crazy to me. And

Tina (: 33:51

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 33:54

And

I I don't think it's right, but I think that people will

Tina (: 34:04

Yeah.

Tina (: 34:20

For sure. I d I don't know are are they gonna release like is everything going to be released? Are we gonna be able to see all the notes on the

Tina (: 35:10

Well before.

Tina (: 35:39

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 35:45

And and where will go if she gets away with it. I mean, she's not getting away with it. She's gonna have to live her with herself for the rest of her life. Like in in the real world, this is not something she's ever gonna escape. She's always gonna be that woman. Whether she's in prison or not. But but like she just

don't know. It I'm so in I'm so on the fence with this, I don't even know what to say. Like I'm just yeah, I I haven't seen all of the stuff on the news. I didn't even watch T V this week. So I don't have all the evidence but I couldn't imagine I couldn't imagine there's something wrong with a woman that will kill her kids. Period.

I mean, we're instinctually not set up to be that way. We're set up to protect them fiercely, not be not be the the terror that rains on them. So just looking at it that way I'd be like she's guilty. But then again, the hormone things, I get it, but I I've really vacillated on this. I don't I don't I don't know what the right answer is.

Tina (: 37:16

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 37:39

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 38:12

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 38:24

And you know what I've seen men with high testosterone levels, they're they're they're a little off kilter too. Yeah.

Tina (: 39:23

Why that's

Tina (: 39:50

By far.

Tina (: 40:09

And really do we wanna keep people out of prison or out of a mental institution that are already going through that? I mean, it's clear that she's not right, so do we let her on the streets to roam around? Like where does it stop?

Tina (: 41:40

is off balance.

Tina (: 41:48

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 42:11

Right.

Tina (: 42:34

Yeah, that that changes perspective a little bit when you hear her say that.

Yeah. Yeah, that's true.

Tina (: 42:50

Well, yeah. You know, if you th if you really want to to take a look at it and see it from all sides, you gotta know this isn't gonna be helpful in any way. 'Cause y is she guilty or is she innocent? Like she did it. She admitted it. That that kind of like makes you say, Hey, she's guilty, right? Like she admitted to it. That's are is that what we're judging or are we judging her her

Tina (: 43:26

I think we all wanna believe that, but it there's three kids that passed. Three.

Tina (: 43:40

Yeah, yeah.

Tina (: 43:47

Yeah.

Tina (: 44:02

And it's your kid, like how I mean

Tina (: 44:08

Yeah. How do you do that to your kid?

Tina (: 44:25

So they mistrial her.

Tina (: 45:09

Yeah.

Tina (: 45:15

Yeah.

Tina (: 45:27

Right.

Tina (: 45:40

Yeah.

Tina (: 45:47

Absolutely.

Tina (: 46:00

Yeah. No. You sh absolutely should stay away from the kid. Like get yourself right. And and nobody in the family it from what I knew, the family knew about all this too. Why did why did they leave her alone? Why did anybody leave her alone? Why wasn't everybody there? The whole family should have rallied and gotten those kids the help that they needed from their own mother.

Like where was the family?

Tina (: 46:36

Yeah, 'cause the the if if

From what I remember, the the mother in law, her mother in law was reading text messages from her phone that was to help her with her defense. Well, where in the buck was that grandmother when when she was saying all this? Why wasn't she there s protecting those kids? Where was all of the adults in all of this the situation, where were they when the kids needed them most? Nobody was around.

Yeah. And if she was that bad and and the dad of the kids left her with them, what the hell is his problem?

Tina (: 48:06

Well, you know, in the situation where I was on all the hormones and I was begging my ex to fifty one fifty me because I was I was a hot mess. He didn't do it. And he said, I didn't want to put that on your record. I didn't want to have that on your record and you know what?

I'm grateful that he did because I'm out from the other side and I don't have the same issues that I had of not on all the hormones. But at the same time, man, I wish he would have done that 'cause maybe I would have gotten help that I needed instead of trying to ride all of that out myself and it was really hard. So but but again, you fifty one fifty somebody, it's on their record forever. They can't have you know, I don't know, it's just

You're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't. But when there's kids involved you need to do what's right for them and go from there. I don't know I don't know what else to say. Go from there.

Tina (: 49:15

Yeah.

Tina (: 49:22

Yeah. No, you're right. You're right.

Tina (: 49:44

Let's see what happens because in you know, it I'm I can't believe I'm saying this, but in some ways things need to start going south for women. Women are at the point where they're just not even making rational decisions lately. As as a group of w women where the stuff that I'm hearing and the stuff that's going on, like we need to get some balance here and 'cause women are losing their their damn minds in so many ways.

Tina (: 50:30

Yeah.

Tina (: 50:39

No.

Tina (: 51:47

You know, I'm you when you put this in my lap, I I really don't. This this is a hard one in so many ways. 'Cause I I am conflicted because of what I've been through. But at the same time, man, you killed three of your kids. Three.

Yeah.

Tina (: 52:17

Way different.

Tina (: 52:28

Yeah.

Tina (: 52:54

Yes.

Tina (: 53:41

I I think that we as society need to start watching out for one another more. we don't we don't keep our grandparents with us anymore like like in our time, my grandparents were with us every day. we don't have like a social setup to help each other and to be there and to be supportive, and I really think that that is necessary because

I know that if if a woman was to come to me and tell me the stuff that this other woman was going through, I would be able to talk to her because I've lived it. And and there's there's value in that, in having people that have gone through things to help you through and our society is is getting away from having that support and I think that we need to start getting back to that.

Tina (: 54:49

Absolutely.

Tina (: 55:10

See ya.