EP # 184 The challenges of bad jobs, and how we handle them.

Robb (: 00:01

And welcome to another show of Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob along with my co-host as always Tina. How are you doing, Tina? And just so the people out there know, I mean, not that they need to, but we're recording this actually on the day that the last show dropped. So if you're listening today on a Wednesday and you're listening about weed, that's today's show.

Tina (: 00:07

I'm hanging in there. Not a bad week so far, so... Can't complain.

Tina (: 00:23

Yes.

Robb (: 00:30

So you're probably at this particular time or at some time today, you listen to it. So thank you. So thank you. And I got to just say that there's somebody that's in Ireland that loves us. So if you're the one listening in Ireland, like super cool, thank you. Because you have been. Which is kind of cool.

Tina (: 00:31

All right.

Tina (: 00:36

Yes.

Robb (: 00:58

Anyway, like we were talking about a few things before we got on today And we had to throw a couple things away because you know, we are always coming up with some subjects that are testy or whatever But this one I think is I mean pretty Universal I don't remember who told me to do this one, but it might have been a friend down the street. I don't remember but

Tina (: 01:04

Yes, we were.

Robb (: 01:27

Probably because I don't think she's had many jobs because she's also in a business that she's been with 25 years, but worse jobs. you know, we've all been in a couple of them. You're see, you're kind of I was thinking like, well, what would you really talk about? Because you've been doing hair for so long. But in your case, it would be more like bad bosses or bad coworkers.

Tina (: 01:55

or bad clients stuff like that because they are my boss

Robb (: 01:59

Yeah, but you know what? You're right, because that kind of gets thrown into. Yeah, that's right. I mean, you really only rent a station, so they're really not your boss either, Yeah.

Tina (: 02:10

Right, right. And I've had really good actual bosses for people that own the shops. They were good people. So I can't really say anything bad about them.

Robb (: 02:22

Yeah, I guess you have a good way putting it that yeah, your your clients are would make a bad job, sort of like retail, because we both worked retail at some point. And truly retail is a great stepping stone job, I think everyone should work it at least once. So you get the mix of like having to deal with other human beings. Because it'll it'll make you not want to get into a job where you have to.

Tina (: 02:33

Hated it.

Tina (: 02:47

Thank

Tina (: 02:52

Right?

Robb (: 02:52

And the funny thing is, that's all I've ever done. Customer service type jobs. I've dealt with people at every single job I've ever had. With the exception of like my first job, I worked for UPS and I loaded a truck. So I didn't really deal with customers. But after that, pretty much dealt with customers my whole, my whole life.

Tina (: 02:56

Really?

Robb (: 03:12

Yeah, it was all fun. It was fun money. Yeah.

Tina (: 03:13

You know, I didn't like retail. I worked for Big Five and I worked for Target and couldn't stand it. But I also think I was at an age where I wasn't going to be able to put up with anything anyway. was like 17, 18, 19, not giving a shit. know, money wasn't a... there wasn't really a reason for money then for me.

Yeah, it was definitely fun money and I squandered it aimlessly anytime there was even the remote possibility of there being fun. yeah, but I.

Robb (: 03:44

You

Tina (: 03:50

I didn't like retail. I did have a shitty boss and I really did hate working for the dry cleaner. I worked for a dry cleaner and this guy's... the boss's brother-in-law used to get handsy and one time I just couldn't take it and I kicked him right in the sack and I got fired for it and everything but he saved me. Oh, I...

Robb (: 04:11

In the Groat. Yeah. Yeah, that'll definitely make a job shitty. You know, I think. Look, there's there's lots of things that can make a job not good.

Tina (: 04:15

And I, I like kicked as hard as I could. I just got tired of being groped. So.

Tina (: 04:29

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 04:37

for sure.

Robb (: 04:40

Again, friend down the street, she's in the medical industry and has to deal with human beings every single day on levels that I sometimes she says stuff to me and I feel for her so much because it's not like I, you know, I work in electronics retail and the worst thing that you could hear is

hey my stereo receiver is broken and you know why isn't it covered and you know you could get into that argument she has people coming in that are in pain have issues you know like serious stuff that so i i give anyone that's in that industry the medical industry it's you have to give them a little bit of of a prop because it's generally never good news

Tina (: 05:21

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 05:32

Right. They're there because they don't feel well. So I think that in that case, I can, God, I can see why it can't be good. So, you know, yes, I think that shitty jobs can push you into something better, or you just realize that you're in a good career and you stay with it.

Tina (: 05:32

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 06:01

Right.

Robb (: 06:02

Tina (06:04.878)

I think you also you get in a niche where you could You know how to deal with it because you get the same type of complainer or you get the same type of personality that's a pain in the ass and you just learn how to live with it you learn how to Not get caught up in whatever their stress is

And you just go with it. I mean, that's what I do and people come in all the time with with bad things happening, you know Then they tell me because it's not it's not a professional atmosphere It's like hey, how's it going? They really mean for the next hour and a half They're gonna dump whatever they can, you know, and I get it I get it and I'm good for listening to it because Because of the fact that I've had over and 34 years being a hairdresser

Robb (: 06:44

Right.

Tina (: 06:56

yeah, so because of that, You know, I have a lot of life knowledge and so when people I was just talking to my cousin today about someone that she knows that just lost her mom and I said I was having a hard time getting close to this girl because she seemed very

Like she had a little wall put up, right? And I was like, is she really a good person? Like, do you like her? She's like, oh yeah, you just gotta get to know her. No problem, just give her a chance. she's kind of, you know, it takes her a minute to warm up. And I'm like, I like people like that.

Robb (: 07:21

Mm-hmm.

Right.

Tina (: 07:34

Cause they're trying to see if they want to even be friends with me. And those are the type of people that you want to have around. You want them to make a choice, you know, are you in it with me or you not? I'm, you know, we don't need to play games and I like that. So, but anyway, she came in and she brought up the fact that her mom had passed and she was going through all the stuff that you go through the first year of your mom passing. And my mom's been gone in July. It'll be 14 years. So I had a lot to say and, I,

Robb (: 07:59

you

Tina (: 08:04

believe that I was there in a way for her that she just needed and you know that I not that I would wish my mom to be dead that's not what I'm saying but I'm grateful that I learned from her passing in a way that I could help other people go through just a little less suffering and

Robb (: 08:19

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 08:27

You know that that was a cool thing that that I was able to do and and imagine you know talking to somebody that you can't relate to on that level and they're aching and they're hurting and they're looking in a mirror so they're very vulnerable and You know the they they're gonna say more than what they probably wanted to say when when they walked in so I don't know I I Kind of dig that part of of the job

Robb (: 08:47

Mm-hmm

Tina (: 08:55

But I also, also sometimes wish that the conversations didn't have to be so deep and they didn't have to be so hard. Like I love sex conversations. You know, was, I was acting a fool today at work and telling probably stuff I shouldn't and just, you know, calling women on their bullshit because they were being way too hard on the men. And I was just tired of hearing the bashing and wanted to just fuck with them.

Robb (: 09:09

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 09:25

We got into a conversation about sex and I was telling me you guys are doing it all wrong. no wonder you don't want to have sex with him. No, no wonder like I don't know those those conversations are much better, they're easier I should say not better because it was it's always a good conversation, but the conversations could be Could be kind of draining at times or if you don't agree with somebody That's a horrible

That's a horrible couple of hours you spend with a person when you don't agree with the shit they're spewing. That's not fun. So I have situations like that.

Robb (: 09:57

Right.

I think yeah, I think with you you come from a Man, you're your mental strain can make a job bad You know what mean? Like they they could just come in and drop every single thing that's going wrong in their life on you Which is gotta be brutal

Tina (: 10:12

Sometimes.

Tina (: 10:24

You know, you get, you just, again, it's part of the job and I'm glad to be able to be there for certain people and if it's something that I've been through or if I could find just something that I could say that may take a little bit of their pain away, I'm good for that. That's, that's, that's become my specialty. So.

Robb (: 10:44

Huh.

Right. I mean, I think things that can make jobs horrible. Look, generally the job can be, right? Let's say you just have

Tina (: 10:47

I don't know. is draining though. That kind of stuff in the job is not my favorite. But all the fun stories and all the... Like if people want to tell their deep dark secrets and it's all the stuff they're embarrassed about, those are normally my favorite stories and I get a lot of those too.

Robb (: 11:15

a job that's my son quit a job that he worked where I work right now and he worked in a warehouse and it was hard labor and he lifted stuff all day and it was it was hard and then quit and I was like bro like yeah like really but again some people just aren't built for that I think a lot of young people now have issues with like

Tina (: 11:39

Right? It's true.

Robb (: 11:45

Hard labor. I saw a post today by somebody. Well, I saw a post today by somebody on Facebook and she is. I believe in her thirties. Believe in her thirties. And she posted something today that I almost fell out of my seat. It said my work today is.

Tina (: 11:49

Harsh words even, can't even say shit.

Bye.

Robb (: 12:12

Like you can't even get a you can't eat food or anything right now. They're calling it theft if you're not doing it on a break. And they want me to stand all day even though the store is not busy because and I was like, OK, you're weak like that's work. You don't like that shit quit. I mean, I'm lucky I can eat on my job. I'm lucky, but.

Tina (: 12:32

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 12:41

I've been in plenty of jobs where I couldn't. Yeah. I mean, that's just, yeah, exactly. That's just the way of the world and it happens and it's, it is what it is. Like, so for me, I kind of just thought, man, you are weak. Like,

Tina (: 12:43

I can't. If I'm busy with a client, there's no time for food. You just gotta, you just gotta suck it up until you got a minute.

Robb (: 13:08

I've been on jobs where like they don't give two shits and and I was making 650 an hour, you know when I first got a job so My bigger thing is this is yes there can there be something better obviously Jobs are rough. I think things that make jobs the worst are the people who work with you They can make they can make a good job or a great job

Tina (: 13:15

Right?

Tina (: 13:30

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 13:37

Utterly miserable. Having a bad boss, having bad coworker, someone who just brings the whole room down. it's rough. And I find that the hardest part. Cause I've worked at places that were, it was a fun job and then an employee will just fuck it up. I mean, just make

Tina (: 13:42

Hmm

Tina (: 14:03

Yeah.

Robb (: 14:05

I mean, there's been jobs where I didn't want to go to work because of people who work there. It was just miserable. was just, this is utterly horrible. Thankfully, that one, I could transfer to a different branch and that's what I did. So I got out of the situation doing that. But some people aren't lucky like that. I mean, I worked for a company that I could do that. It's rough when you don't.

Tina (: 14:23

nice

Tina (: 14:33

Even in, yeah, even in the salon, like, there's big personalities, like we're all very, like...

I don't know, we could talk to everybody. We have to be kind of the life of the party. There's, you know, we have to be upbeat. So there's a lot of big personalities that are hairdressers and, um...

Robb (: 14:47

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 14:57

Remember this one girl that I worked with she was she was very religious and she had to have very long red nails Not that that they they don't go together. I don't I don't even know why I said that but anyway everything about her used to piss me off and Then and then she'd be like Tina Tina and I'd be like yes, and she'd go have a nice night here. God bless and I like after being annoyed with her all day cuz very opinionated

Robb (: 15:19

boy. Right.

Tina (: 15:27

no, it would look better like this and only I could do that and I'm so great and She used to drive me crazy and then the god bless at the end. I wanted to just hit her with something

And she made me crazy to the point where I actually went and started looking for another job. There's two things that are not supposed to be put together at work and that is opinionated women and religion. Like you don't put those two together because you could cause a riot and I'm not about to do that. And yeah, we're not going to go there.

Robb (: 15:59

Yeah, it's turmoil. Yes, and I think lots of things can, know, differences in opinions, just that can cause turmoil.

Tina (: 16:12

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 16:14

And I'm sure now with the political climate the way it is You can't say anything Like when I I worked for a place called the good guys, which is very far gone now Yeah, how do we explain it to people on the East Coast Best Buy, right? It was a Best Buy. It was a it was a higher-end Best Buy. It was really great place to work When I started working there was 91 and

Tina (: 16:22

No. No.

Tina (: 16:32

electronics

Robb (: 16:43

There was no rules. I mean there were, but like, man, we were brutal and vulgar and with each other and not quite hazed people, but hazed people. I had a buddy that worked with me and he had to take the bus to work. He didn't have a car yet. And he was always late. Because, you know, the bus, what do you do?

Tina (: 16:59

you

Robb (: 17:13

So it got to the point where he knew he was going to be late and there was a McDonald's on the way. He would just call us and say, Hey, I'm picking you guys up breakfast because I'm to be late today. And we just let it ride. And then it got to the point where he became a really good friend of mine. And, know, thank goodness the company's gone. We would just doctor's time card and I would back backdate it to me on time. And then he would bring us food. I mean, we were all, we were all poor.

Tina (: 17:39

that's funny.

Robb (: 17:41

Like it was like when you're making six dollars and fifty you know six fifty an hour and then like that I was making six fifty an hour and I lived by myself paying my own rent in an apartment. Like I was I was poor poor so much that I've talked to about it on this show before my buddy's dad owned a KFC in Recita and he closed all the time.

Tina (: 17:55

Wow.

Robb (: 18:07

And I would drive my car there and at the end of the night he would just let me take as much food as I wanted home Yeah, I and He knows it and I've said stuff to him many many times. I owe him a lot during those years because he kept me surviving he fed me like and it's funny because I had I had bought some wrestling belts for me and my best friend down in San Diego and I've got one for him

Tina (: 18:13

Wow.

Robb (: 18:37

And I sent it to him and he didn't know it was coming. both of them, when I gave one to my friend in San Diego in person, and then I told him to open it on camera, like a video of it. Both of them, brought to tears. Yeah, it's great. But I mean, it's that kind of thing where, and it's funny thing is, is talk about the jobs he hated working at KFC. This guy, my goodness. The shit talking that he would say. People would come in.

Tina (: 18:51

Hmm.

Tina (: 19:04

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 19:06

and I would be sitting at a table and they'd order and do a bunch of shit and then they'd leave and he'd be like, mother, I'm just go off on people. It's hard. And look, I can't bitch, I sit at a desk a lot of the time. I do get up and move, but I generally answer a phone and I sell stuff to people. I mean, there are really, really hard jobs. My son's...

Tina (: 19:14

you

Robb (: 19:36

My son, let me see my son's stepbrother. A week and a half ago, two weeks ago, calls him. We're over at Cane's getting some chicken. And he gets a phone call from him and he goes, hey man, just wanted to tell you I'm moving to Texas tomorrow. Out of nowhere. I just want to tell you I'm going to be moving. I'm going to go down here. I just want you to know you can come down anytime. He got a job.

Tina (: 19:56

damn.

Robb (: 20:05

He's he does hard labor. He's a young kid. He's only like Let's see my kids 22. He's like 20 But he works hard labor stuff, I guess he's gonna go down there and work in oil fields He's gonna he's gonna make nine thousand dollars a month It's a dangerous job very dangerous job so So look I can bitch all I want about

Tina (: 20:19

Yeah.

Wow.

Robb (: 20:33

getting yelled at by people and having bad stuff. I am not worried about generally not worried about dying at work. You know what I mean? So, you know, we can all complain. Look, I worked my first job was with UPS. I loaded trailers, 50 foot trailers. That was the utterly worst job I've ever had. It should be prison labor.

Tina (: 20:35

Yeah, but that's not a bad job.

Tina (: 20:43

That's true.

Robb (: 21:02

Now, here's the flip side of that. I talked to a guy at UPS now that is a truck driver, but he did loading a couple of years ago. And I was like, that shit sucked. And I had to check every zip code and you had to build these walls and he goes, okay, they don't do any of that shit anymore. All you do is build walls and that's it. And I was like, what? He goes, yeah, all the zip codes are exactly correct. The way they come down the belt, don't have to do it. All you do is build walls all day long.

Tina (: 21:22

Mmm.

Robb (: 21:31

And I was like, are you kidding? And he goes, no, it's so much easier. So like even that job, they had the streamline and find a way. If you can believe this, when I worked for UPS and this was in 80, 89, just the winter of our graduation, I came back from a summer vacation with my mom and went to work for them. After seven days,

Tina (: 21:55

I remember that.

Robb (: 21:59

They had a get together and were like, yeah, you made it. Seven days because the turn, yeah, because the, because the turnover there is less than a week. I was flabbergasted. I remember going home that day and talking to my best friend because he worked for him too. And he had been there a while and I go, what in the fuck is going on here? And he's like, he's like, yeah, like people quit here all the time. I go, no.

Tina (: 22:13

That's crazy.

Robb (: 22:28

And then I ended up quitting after 30 days because I just couldn't take it. And I worked a weird shift. I worked from like, I worked from 11 at night to two in the morning. I worked like a, you know, some weird shift and it just wasn't for me. And I remember it was October and the guy, my supervisor comes to me and he goes, Hey man, are sure you don't want to stay until December? And I go, bro, I don't like it when it's not busy. You want me to stay for Christmas? Are you out of your mind? Like, yeah.

Tina (: 22:39

Yeah.

Tina (: 22:55

Great.

Robb (: 22:57

And then after that, I worked for Foot Locker at the Northridge Mall, which actually wasn't a bad job. I worked in a warehouse and I stacked shoes into holes all day. It was a pretty simple job. And then I got one of the greatest jobs you can ever have on the planet. I got a job working at the Family Fun Arcade. That was the great, and I worked there years. It was awesome.

Tina (: 23:22

I remember that.

Robb (: 23:29

With the exception of the crazy hours I worked. I worked until two in the morning every single day and then skateboarded in the middle of Balboa on my way home. Which you probably couldn't even do now because I'm sure Balboa at two in the morning is packed. Yeah, like I remember skateboarding and I'm not joking like dead center at two in the morning and it was like nobody there and that was in 90.

Tina (: 23:36

Crazy.

Tina (: 23:40

You can't. Still pretty busy. No, it's not packed, but it's consistently busy.

Tina (: 23:55

Wow.

Robb (: 23:56

Yeah, it was wild. And then of course I got a chance to work for the good guys and I worked there for 10 years. And look, there was ups and downs in any job that I've ever had. Craziest job? Wrestling. If you want to call it a job. It was more of a hobby that they paid me for. Yeah, I know, we talked about that. And then I told you that my mom admitted to doing it like...

Tina (: 24:07

for sure.

Tina (: 24:14

Mine was Fun Sex Operator was probably the craziest.

Yeah.

Tina (: 24:26

you

Robb (: 24:26

Years later. I told her I was like, yeah We did this show and Tina told me that she was a phone sex operator. She was like And I was like what Yeah, it was funny. We we I was on Skype with her and I was like you what she's like, yeah, it was crazy job I About lost. Yeah, I about lost my shit. I am I almost I fell out of my chair for the wrong reason I actually thought it was kind of funny

Tina (: 24:42

I love it.

Robb (: 24:55

Because it was one of those things with my mom that like didn't surprise me after she said it. Like once it processed and it went through like one ear into my brain processed around and then scotted out the other side. Then I was like, that doesn't surprise me. My mom worked at, mean, pardon, I don't want to offend anyone, but she worked at a nuthouse. Like a legitimate one where they like put people in jackets and padded rooms and

Tina (: 25:00

Mm-hmm

Robb (: 25:23

drugged people like a nuthouse Yeah, a yes a mental facility is what they would call that now so like it didn't surprise me my mom I'm sure worked all kinds of crazy shit that I didn't know because when I lived with my dad You know, he she didn't tell me everything she was doing at the time But I think that like look going forward we're lucky we're kind of in the twilight of what we're doing You're not gonna stop doing hair now just to stop doing hair. You know what I mean?

Tina (: 25:23

Mm, mental institution,

Tina (: 25:52

No, it'll be because my fingers give out or...

Robb (: 25:55

Yes, I mean, you'll stop doing shit because you can't do it physically. And then truly, you could probably stay in the business and run a shop, like be a shop manager. You know what mean? Like you could still be in the business because you know so much or teach. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? So like you could always probably stay around it. It's just rough. Like.

Tina (: 25:59

Yeah, yeah.

Tina (: 26:12

or teach.

Tina (: 26:18

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 26:22

I'm lucky. I can't say I've had like horribly, horribly bad jobs. I've heard bad stories though from people who've had horrible. Just again, like every day at work was just like cutting yourself. Just it was horrible. was like got yelled at every day. Had a boss just made it utterly impossible. And look, I get it.

You can quit and that seems so easy on paper, right? These days, I think it's a little easier to at least start looking, right? Because everything's online now, so you can just go home at night and you know, and like send out 40 resumes and at least, you know, you're floating yourself out there, which I think is much easier.

Tina (: 27:14

Right.

Robb (: 27:21

But you can't quit. Like you just, I don't understand how people do that. Just, I'm just gonna quit my job. Like, wow, if you're that financially ahead that you can not worry, that's crazy. mm-hmm, go. Really? I mean, I...

Tina (: 27:22

Ye- It's true.

Tina (: 27:35

Mm-hmm.

Just the fact that you have to have a resume to get a job now. Back when I was getting jobs, I didn't need a resume.

Tina (: 27:47

Mm-hmm. worked for Bank of America for five years. I worked in customer service I was a customer service training manager and I worked in the special vault with like millions upon millions of dollars and I didn't have to give them a resume

Robb (: 28:03

Wow. Yeah, I'm Right.

Tina (: 28:04

I mean, I don't think you need a resume for phone sex operator. I did just fine without it. Target didn't need a resume, just applied. Big Five just needed a resume. Or didn't need a resume, just applied.

Robb (: 28:13

I'm sure a lot of retail, you probably don't need a resume because you know, you're filling something that's a teachable job. I think, let's see, when did I need a resume? I didn't for the good guys, but after that I went from there and then, well, no, and then I worked for an alarm distributor and I didn't need one there only because I played hockey.

Tina (: 28:26

Right.

Robb (: 28:43

with them. That's how I got hired. I was a goaltender on their hockey team. And they're like, hey, man, you want to work on the warehouse where we work? I'm like, sure. After that is when I needed it. When I came back to California from Vegas, because I was going into the alarm business and I needed to apply for a real job. Not yet. Yes, once you get into the alarm business,

Tina (: 28:50

Sure.

Tina (: 29:03

And you were bonded at that point, right?

Robb (: 29:11

Regardless of what you do, whether you're a technician, a manager or office employee, you actually have to go through the steps of getting fingerprinted and go through the process of background check, like a serious one. It's a really heavy duty background check. It's almost federal employee.

It's like right below federal employee. Yeah, yeah, you can't. When I was going to get my CCW, I remember I was getting fingerprinted by the sheriff and he's like, well, you you're going to do this and we're going to run your background. I go, I'll pass it. And he was like, what do you mean? I go, I guarantee you all pass this background check. And he's like, well, why? And of course, like he was a nice guy. He's like, why do think that? And I go, well, I was an alarm technician and

Tina (: 29:41

Really?

Robb (: 30:08

The only way you can be one of those is to go through the exact same background check, if not better than yours. And he was like, you need that? And I go, yeah, I'm putting alarms in like million dollar homes with people's in it. Yes, you have to. It's a serious background check. So, yeah, it's it's it's a it's an interesting thing like that, too, I mean, I had some ups and downs working as an alarm tech, too, because of other people that I worked with.

Tina (: 30:24

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 30:37

I had great bosses, but there were other employees that at certain points I would have pushed the ladder down that they were on. Yeah, and I'm sure they thought the same thing about me because I can be a little rough around the edges when it comes to things. I was I was talking to somebody the other day. Who I worked with like. 20 years ago. Almost 20 years ago, like 16 years ago. I went to where they work.

Tina (: 30:39

Right?

Tina (: 30:45

No.

Robb (: 31:06

and her husband works there. And I was like, hey, just like shooting the shit. And I go, yeah. She goes, you know, maybe if everything works out, maybe you can come back and work for our company. And I go, yeah, it'd be cool. But I go, I heard I can't work with your husband. And she's like, you know, like I go, don't take that wrong. She's like, well, who said that? And I go, it doesn't matter who said it. But this is why. And I go, I I have a. When when I feel.

I'm right, I will tell you to fuck off. But on the flip side, I'm also the person that if I'm wrong, I have no problem admitting it. Which is not common for a man. Yeah, I have no problem with that. And I've said it to people I've been in relationships or people that I've liked. Like, if I'm wrong, I have no problem saying, yep, I was wrong, I'm sorry. Just because, get it out of the way. There's nothing wrong with it.

Tina (: 31:44

All

Tina (: 31:49

I'd agree with that.

Robb (: 32:05

Everyone can't be right. So. Well, yeah, because you think that you're perfect and no one is. My old boss, before I came to work for this company, I had. I had a female boss. It was the owner's wife. And when she took over that department. She said something to me one time. She goes, you know, you're going to be OK working with, you know, working for a woman. And I was like, I don't care.

Tina (: 32:08

And if you can't be wrong, then you're really gonna have problems.

Yeah, nobody wants that shit.

Robb (: 32:35

It's all the same. Just be cool to me. Like, that's all I care. Like the other thing I, the only thing I don't like about working for a woman is some of them can be motherly. Right. And my old boss, the one I just had, she just quit. And she, one day she was like standing at the computer and like, click this and do it. go, listen, I'm not your fucking kid. I'm a big boy.

just explain it to me and then I'll do it." And she was like, and we had to sit down and I said, listen, I have no problem working for a woman. I've done it. I did it for seven years. It was awesome. She was a great person. I go, here's the only thing is that you have to understand that you have to treat us all differently at some point. We should all be within the same regulations.

but we're all have different personalities. And I said, there is no one thing for everybody. And I've worked for people that are very much like that, that everything's the exact same. And I was like, you can't do that. It's, it can be so bad. But again, then there's the flip side of people getting treated better because they're friends.

Tina (: 33:31

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 33:58

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 34:02

So, I think the things that drive people away from employment long term that makes just a bad job is the, for one, lack of compassion with outside things. I mean, I've had two people, very important people die in my life and I never took time off just because

Tina (: 34:27

Right.

Robb (: 34:28

Just because I think I was trying to fill the void of not having to think about it. Looking back on that, I probably should have took bereavement for my mom for sure. Just to, you know, sit in it and go, okay. But I've heard that some places don't even give you bereavement pay. Maybe in California.

Tina (: 34:34

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 34:41

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 34:53

They have to by law.

Robb (: 34:57

I think outside of here, I bet you there's not the same kind of laws. California's laws for employment, I gotta say, are pretty good. you can really press employers with the laws. That's the one good thing. But it'll, you know, I see how some people manipulate or some companies manipulate things.

Tina (: 34:57

Yeah.

Tina (: 35:15

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 35:26

Like the insurance thing, you if you don't work this many hours, they'll just make sure you don't. They don't have to offer you insurance. And it's sucky because I try to tell my kid this, you know, and again, I was young and I probably shouldn't have cared, but I was very happy that I had insurance for 10 years when I worked for the good guys because I was wrestling during that time and I got hurt a lot and I went to the doctor. Thankfully.

Tina (: 35:34

Yeah.

Robb (: 35:54

And I try to tell him like you have to He's working for somebody right now. They're good people and he's probably not working Enough hours there, but he works for them outside But I told him I said at some point dude you have to press them for insurance Like it's important. What happens if you like something happens and you get hurt and you have to go to the doctor it's

Tina (: 36:09

Okay.

Robb (: 36:19

Even with insurance, it's expensive. Like I have Kaiser, which is good insurance, but the new company that just bought us got a shitty version of it. My deductible for every visit is a hundred bucks. Yeah, before my old company was $10. Yeah, so it's in like, I don't have to stop paying deductible until I hit 1500 bucks.

Tina (: 36:31

That's some bullshit.

Robb (: 36:48

It's like there's a lot of, it's just shitty and it's like, please stop doing that. These companies do, well, and not only that, there should only be one version of it. Stop, and I'm sure that that's along the line of like them just trying to be cheap. There should be like Kaiser and there's one and everyone gets it. And if you want a PPO, it's this and it's whatever company does it. Because.

Tina (: 36:52

A lot of people can't afford that. Yeah.

Tina (: 37:10

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 37:15

That is what will make jobs horribly and shitty is when they like again I've been with companies have been bought several times and everything always goes sideways It's like they try to do the cheapest shit and then they end up losing good employees because of Yeah, well and they lose good employees because of shitty Decisions it's like why why would you do all this and I understand that they try to integrate and they want to make one big payment and they want to do this it's like

Tina (: 37:27

Yeah.

Tina (: 37:31

They merge.

Robb (: 37:44

It just doesn't make sense to me and it really drives people away. I'm seeing it right now where I work we got bought Come June. I think our pay scale is gonna change So we just got a raise on April 1st and I made a joke to the guys at my work I go awesome We're gonna get paid more money for two months and then they're gonna restructure our shit in June and we're all gonna be on you know pissed off and They were like, and I go dude. That's just reality. It's like I hope not but

Tina (: 37:57

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 38:12

That can be reality. So companies now need to step back and look, everyone's in the business of making money. I don't wanna like, I don't wanna curve that at all. We work in California where McDonald's employees make $20 an hour. So if you're in a business where you have technical skills,

Tina (: 38:26

That's for sure.

Tina (: 38:34

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 38:41

Maybe you didn't go to school, but you have those technical skills. What are they going to pay you? They're not going to pay you 22. Right? It's like, well, I, or let's say you went to school and you have, you're like, again, you're in the medical field. You're, you're an LVN. You've gone to school, you've done things. You're not an RN yet. What should you make? You should make a good living. I think you should make more than me. And I do pretty well. I didn't go to school for what I know.

Tina (: 38:49

Right.

Tina (: 39:05

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 39:11

I just happen to be in the right places at the right time learning the right shit. You know, people... And again, if you're dealing with where you can kill somebody, because you can, mostly them. My friend down the street, she's in the medical field. Her daughters are LVNs. She told me like some of the things that they do. Like people die around them all the time.

Tina (: 39:15

Right.

Robb (: 39:40

So you're around death. You are injecting people with shit that if you fuck up you could kill them. Like I think you should be you should be paid quite well for the the problems of maybe getting sued for doing something wrong or something happens or whatever. It's an important thing that employers now they make the jobs worse than they really are and that's the sad part. I hope

Tina (: 39:42

Mm-hmm.

Tina (: 39:48

for sure.

Robb (: 40:11

Man, I hope going forward, I doubt it'll ever happen. But look, we all want a job that we love to go to. Who doesn't? When you work at a place that you like to go to and it's fun and you're all making money and things are just rolling. Like three years ago when I moved where I moved and I went to a new company, it was rolling. Business was good. Everything was.

man, everyone was banging around. We were smiling and laughing and having a good time every day. And we're all making a good living. This new company bought us and you can see how it's changing and no one's happy and people are quitting the company. Like in droves, lots of people are quitting. So I understand where a horrible job can ruin who you are as a person. I mean, I don't know. Did you ever take work home?

Tina (: 41:06

Nope.

Robb (: 41:06

You're lucky. I did. There was a couple of years I really took it home and I took it out on my kid because I was angry and I was tired and I just I wasn't happy. My job was really, really taking its toll on me. To the point where I had to I sat down one night after

Probably saying something I probably shouldn't have or just not being in a good mood and sitting in my fucking room staring at ceiling That I told myself that night. I'm not gonna take this shit home with me ever again No matter where I work And I went to my boss at the time my friend Scott who passed away great guy and I told him I could just so you know dude when that door hits me on the ass I don't care about this place and he goes

Tina (: 41:48

That's good, that's way you should be.

Robb (: 42:02

Fair enough. go, I'm taking it home. I'm taking it out on my kid. I'm taking it out on my roommate at the time. Like it was just, I was not a good person to be around. Since then, I don't take my fucking work home and I don't give two shits. but when I'm at the, and don't get me wrong, when I'm at work 110, I work, I have no problem. You just can't. And I think that's also what makes your job the worst job possible when it's just eating you alive inside.

Tina (: 42:25

No, you shouldn't.

Robb (: 42:33

You're lucky. I'm glad that I'm it's good to hear that you did that you don't and you never have because It can it can really destroy, you know There's nothing wrong with like having a mate that you you bring a small piece of work home Like man had shit today today. what happened this is this? okay. Well, let's sit down dinner. We watch a movie awesome You know, I mean that's normal talk about work. Like I didn't have a great day or a man. I had a good day and

It was busy and blah blah blah. Awesome. But I know people who, you know, taking their work home and it turned to drinking. And, you know, and both of them drank and it and it bad and I worked with her and it was bad. Like really bad. So, yeah, you can you can works can destroy you. So and I would love to say, you know, choose wisely.

Tina (: 43:04

Right here.

Tina (: 43:11

Mmm.

Robb (: 43:30

But that's also not easy either. That's a great statement. You're right. You shouldn't. Yeah. You shouldn't have to draw a line in the sand with your coworkers. You know what mean? Like I'm not. Yeah. And I have had that where I work right now. There was a, there's a guy who works with me. He's, he's actually a really nice guy.

Tina (: 43:32

Don't be where you're not wanted either. You shouldn't have to fight people to be able to work.

Robb (: 44:00

But I think he has some some issues, some mental issues. And I mean that in a nice way. He would bully another guy at my work all the time right in front of me. And I had worked there maybe a month and he had said something to me. But kind of. He not bully, I mean bullying, but really not, but. Trying to make a point in front of him, he said in front of everybody.

And I don't do well with that. And I jumped in his ass in front of everybody. Like literally, I was like, don't say that shit to me ever again. And like everyone stopped. It was so funny. I said, you get it? I said, I don't take that shit. I don't give a fuck, blah, blah, blah. He's never said anything to me ever again. And that was like three years ago. I mean, and I mean, not didn't say anything, just never tried pushing my buttons.

And I told the other guy, you see what that, I said, don't take that shit from him no more. Like, I don't get it. And now we're, yeah. I just think that he thought I was coming in, cause he's worked there a very long time. I mean, a very long time. And I think he was trying to get his position and show his position off to everybody. And I was like, bro, I've been in this industry longer than you've been working, period working.

Tina (: 45:03

And you shouldn't have to work like that. There's no reason for that.

Tina (: 45:12

Mmm, competition.

Tina (: 45:23

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 45:25

And I said that right to him. I don't give a shit how long you've been here. I've been in this business for, you know, 18 years and you've been, you've only been here 10. It was your first job. Don't get crazy with me. And I kind of called him out in front of everybody and I was like, dude, you, all you were, you've only done this and you have no experience in the field. You don't know, you know, any of this shit, don't go there. But, and again, since then we're all great.

Tina (: 45:38

Exactly.

Robb (: 45:53

Good guy. We have talked all the time. He loves guns. We talk guns. He's a good cat. He was just one that. Yeah, yeah, I mean, he's not a bad person. I just think that he he was trying to. You know, edge in his position and I didn't give a fuck. I don't care about that, you know, I'll respect you, but don't don't think you're something you're not just because you've been.

Tina (: 45:59

and you talk guns now and you work together? That's a little scary.

Robb (: 46:21

in a place for too long. I don't give a shit about that. But, know, look, we all have jobs that we don't like or haven't liked and like in a perfect world we'd all be billionaires and not have to work ever again. Yeah, I mean, although, you know, I saw, I saw, I did see it, but I heard a podcast and Tom Segura, who's a comedian, who's very well off now. He's very doing very well.

Tina (: 46:25

That's for sure too. Who wants to put up with that shit?

Tina (: 46:35

Wouldn't that be nice?

Robb (: 46:49

He said something the best thing ever. goes, just so you know, money doesn't solve your problems. It just gives you more. And I was like, ah, he goes, am I happy that I can take care of my mom and I can take care of my wife and my kids? Yes, I'm blessed. But it just gives you more problems. You know, and don't get me wrong, I'd like to test the theory. But, you know, yeah, we'd all like to test the theory and see what happens.

Tina (: 46:55

Yeah.

Tina (: 47:15

when we are.

Robb (: 47:19

But like jobs, jobs are jobs. And if you don't like yours, I wish you the best of getting out of it and finding something that makes you happier. No, because I think that you're lucky. I mean, all in all, you're an independent contractor. So you're, you're, you're kind of gold. I'm more just kind of skating, you know, I.

Tina (: 47:28

This is funny because we don't really have anything big to add.

Tina (: 47:40

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 47:48

I'm lucky. I've, I've, I hate to say that I've kind of found a niche and I've got myself into things. Look, I can talk and that's got me into a lot of places. And do I know what I'm doing? Yes. Not that I fibbed, but do I learn on the job? Absolutely. Yes.

Tina (: 48:11

Well, just like anything, you'd be on the job for 30 years, you're gonna be changing. There's no way that you could keep doing the same thing.

Robb (: 48:20

Yeah, I mean, but I mean, my thing is like, can't tell you that I can't say that I'm like the model employee. I've I went to a job at one point and they asked me if I knew how to do something. And I said, yes. And I filtered through a test a little bit because I remember certain things. And then when I got the job, I called my old technician and said, if I ever need help doing fire jobs, can you help me? And goes, yeah, no problem.

Tina (: 48:46

cool.

Robb (: 48:47

Now, I did know a lot of stuff, but most of the stuff I remembered off the top of my head from being on a job site. I've never done none of that shit. was just, look, I needed a job. I wanted to make more money. My dad told me when he got a job working for Caltrans, they asked him if he knew how to drive a certain truck. And he said, yes, he had no fucking clue how to do it.

He walked out and talked to one of the guys on the job, literally. I mean, you got to remember, this was the early seventies where you could get away with that. And he goes, look, I need this job, bro. Can you show me how to? He goes, I've driven trucks, but I've never driven one like this. Can you show me? And the guy showed him and he goes, My, my dad worked for Caltrans 25 years. So I get it sometimes again, not a white lie. I'll get you in the door. You know, I mean.

Tina (: 49:14

Bye.

Tina (: 49:29

That was that, huh? Yeah, I remember.

Tina (: 49:39

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 49:42

Kind of the same with wrestling. I got us in the door, not always telling the truth, but not telling a lie either. And just kind of stretching the truth of, yeah. And I got us on shows and it got me more book shows and it got us doing this and it got us. So sometimes you got to just puff yourself up a little bit and tell them that you can do it. And maybe, you know, and you just go along with it.

Tina (: 49:54

doing what she needed to do.

Tina (: 50:09

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 50:12

Again, I feel for people out there who are struggling with their job and it's gonna, you the economy's shitty. It's rough right now. It's really rough right now. Yeah. So, you my only thing is I hope everyone can find their way, their way, and if you can't, you get something that'll make you a little happier. My thing I'll tell you that I wish I would have did is I wish I would have went to school. You know, really.

Tina (: 50:20

Yeah, it's gonna be like that for a while it seems like.

Tina (: 50:41

Yeah, I still don't. I'm still not okay. I could be totally okay not going to school still. I've gone to school all along the way and done different things. Never amounted to anything, but...

Robb (: 50:47

Yeah, I mean, I just think, or I wish I would have looked back at like, I kept telling my kid, like, learn a trade, a real trade. Plumbing, IT, something that they're gonna need forever. The medical industry, I mean, it's a lot of work, but it's never going away.

Tina (: 51:10

That's true.

Robb (: 51:11

It's just never, it's never, and you can, you can work anywhere, like you, you can work anywhere in this country, cutting hair. But you could get it. I mean, that's, that's a good, it's a good trade to have because you, if you want to pick up and move. And that's like, if you're a plumber, again, you might need a different license, but you can get it. It's a good idea.

Tina (: 51:17

Well, I would need a different license, but yeah, I could do it anywhere. Yeah.

Robb (: 51:37

All right, anything else to say on this quickie show? All right, well, you go clean your eyeballs out. It's an opinion show, so don't get it twisted. Keep watching us, listening to us, whatever you're doing every Wednesday on every platform you can feasibly think of. And I'm definitely going on the social media. So go on to Facebook, Instagram, X, where...

Tina (: 51:40

No, I'm good. My eyes are burning from whatever they're using out in the living room and kitchen, so I need to go and ventilate.

Robb (: 52:04

Don't get this twisted on all of them and you can get updates when the show comes out. For my co-host Tina, I'm Rob. We will see you in week. See ya.

Tina (: 52:13

See ya.