Episode 105
EP #105 Is the Internet making us stupid?
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In this episode, Robb and Tina discuss the impact of the internet on our lives and whether it makes us stupid. They explore the pros and cons of the internet, including its effect on brain function and the loss of certain skills such as map reading and memorizing phone numbers. They also discuss the convenience of GPS and navigation apps, as well as the potential negative effects of excessive phone use on younger generations. The conversation highlights the importance of finding a balance between the benefits and drawbacks of the internet.
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::[Robb]: And welcome to another show of Don't
Get This twisted. Hi, I'm Rob along with my
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::[Robb]: cohost as always, Tina. How are you
doing, Tina?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I'm good Rob, it's a little
early, but I'm doing this!
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::[Robb]: Yeah, not too shabby. I'm running a
little tired this morning. I've been up a while,
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::[Robb]: so. But yeah, not too bad. And better
to do it while it's still somewhat nice outside
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::[Robb]: before the heat
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: comes, because it's coming. But yeah,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: It's coming, it's here.
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::[Robb]: well, it's here, but at this time in
the morning when we're recording this, it's
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::[Robb]: only 85.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Ah, that's it. It's only
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::[Robb]: Which
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: 85.
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::[Robb]: is... It's only 85. It's only gonna
get another 15 degrees hotter today. You know,
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::[Robb]: I mean, as much as we can pitch about
the heat here in Southern California, like,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: It's been mild.
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::[Robb]: I talked to some people who I do business
with out in the desert, like Palm Springs,
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::[Robb]: and it's
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mmm.
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::[Robb]: been like 116.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: And then I talked to one of the guys
at our Arizona store and it was 122 the other
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::[Robb]: day.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Holy cow.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, I was like,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah, I don't want
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::[Robb]: ah.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: to be in that.
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::[Robb]: I'm like, no dude, I'm good. I'll take
the 100 degrees,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: for sure. Anyway, this week we're going
to talk, does the internet make us stupid?
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::[Robb]: Or stupider,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mmm.
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::[Robb]: or dumber, or, I don't know, because
maybe all those words aren't grammatically
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::[Robb]: correct, so maybe it is. But, I... through
a couple of articles your way, and it has some
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::[Robb]: science to it. There's been some studies
about it. And look, there's pros and cons.
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::[Robb]: I'll throw some of them out, because
I thought some of them were actually pretty
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::[Robb]: good.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: The pros, the speed of the internet
is different from previous breakthrough technologies
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::[Robb]: and is reprogramming our brains for
the worse. I kind of agree with that. I'm sorry,
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::[Robb]: these are cons. IQ scores have been
falling for decades with the rise of technology.
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::[Robb]: The internet is causing us to lose the
ability to perform simple tasks, which I kind
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::[Robb]: of agree, probably not in our generation,
but definitely with the newer generation. On
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::[Robb]: the flip side of that,
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::[Robb]: A lot of the fears, the pros are a lot
of the fears that they thought were going to
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::[Robb]: come with the internet and technology
are pretty much unfounded. The internet gives
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::[Robb]: diverse populations of people more equal
access to information and I think that's very
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::[Robb]: true mostly in other countries before
the internet. They didn't have the ways of
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::[Robb]: getting some of the information. and
it's changing how our brain works and how we
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::[Robb]: access and process information. So,
look, there's pros and cons to the internet
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::[Robb]: and we've probably both seen them. There's
been a couple of studies, one of the ones I
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::[Robb]: sent you, it's a professor out of Canada.
They really can't tell you or find any evidence
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::[Robb]: that it is definitely making us more
stupid, which... I think is a plus based on
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::[Robb]: their findings. Some of them I think
are pretty good where they talk about how we
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::[Robb]: are using more of our brain because
the internet and smartphones are making it
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::[Robb]: easier for us to do some of these things
so we don't have to think about them. It says
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::[Robb]: GPS. where we really don't have to think
anymore about how to get to a place. It's telling
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::[Robb]: us how to do it and it's telling us
with traffic.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: Which I think is good and bad because
in the old days, when you didn't know how to
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::[Robb]: get there, you had to be able to read
a map. That's gone
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I
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::[Robb]: away.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: never learned how to read
a map completely.
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::[Robb]: Really?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That was one of the things
I was like, I'm very challenged when it comes
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: to directions,
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::[Robb]: Hmm
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: but then add a map and
I would screw it all up. For me, some for some
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: reason I couldn't make
that connection actually work. Used to drive
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: my ex effing crazy. He
got to the point where I did all the driving
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and he would just tell
me which way to go because
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::[Robb]: Right?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I was not getting that.
Thomas guides remember back in the day when
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: we started driving
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::[Robb]: I know how
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Thomas
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::[Robb]: to use a Thomas
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: guides
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::[Robb]: guide.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: were the death of me. I'm
like, can you just give me handwritten directions?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Like just tell me what
I'm supposed to look for. I'll get there
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::[Robb]: Right? Yeah,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: And
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::[Robb]: I'm...
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and that was before phones
to call and say hey, I'm kind of lost like
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::[Robb]: Yeah.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: we didn't have cell phones
We had to go to a payphone did that a hundred
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: times Yeah, not
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: fun
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::[Robb]: Yeah, when I worked for the good guys
in the very beginning, I did deliveries for
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::[Robb]: them, and
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and cheese.
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::[Robb]: then we had a Thomas Guide. I became
very proficient with a Thomas Guide. To this
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::[Robb]: day, if you give me a Thomas Guide,
I'll tell you how to get there.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah,
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::[Robb]: I can
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: not
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::[Robb]: still
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: me.
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::[Robb]: do it.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That was one thing, you
know, I was pretty smart. I did really well
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: in school and don't have
a problem with most things, but a freaking
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: map. I don't know why.
It just was not good. So for me, the GPS has
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: made it better because
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I'm now more on time and
I know when to leave and I know that I'll get
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: there. Or something will
help me get there. So I don't know. I think
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: that in that instance,
the internet's helped me. dramatically.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, look, GPS is just help, it's a
fact.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: And that you can put in pretty much
anything, right?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: You can put cross streets and it'll
try
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: to look it up. You can put the business
name, the street name, and it'll try to come
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::[Robb]: up with some things, which I think definitely
helps. And if you know the address, you're
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::[Robb]: in like Flynn. So.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm, but you could Google
up the address and you could put it into your
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: GPS in less than 30 seconds
and You have that all together. So I think
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: for that the Internet's
a win
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::[Robb]: For sure. And like I said, if you're
using something like Waze, and I think Google,
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::[Robb]: I think that's Traffic Now, pretty much
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: all of them are doing, helping you with
traffic and giving you different scenarios
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::[Robb]: based on the quickest route.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: right?
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::[Robb]: So my only problem is when you know
where you're going, you might still throw the
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::[Robb]: GPS in just to see with traffic, but
you might know the streets better so you'll
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::[Robb]: get off and make, you know what I mean?
Like, there's still human... knowing things
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::[Robb]: that will make your travel maybe better
if you know where you're going.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: It's kind of like when I come over to
where you're at, if we're gonna go to Chi-Chi's
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::[Robb]: or if we're gonna go to a place that
I know I can get to faster using different
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::[Robb]: streets, because the GPS thinks like,
okay, this is the fastest route based on mileage,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: but I know not to get on Recita.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: So. If it tells me to get off, I'm like,
nah, I'm good. I'll get off on another street
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::[Robb]: and work my way around some
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah,
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::[Robb]: of that stuff.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: nobody wants to get off
into traffic like that.
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::[Robb]: Right, so yes, I think there, it's making
our life easier, and maybe you're learning
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::[Robb]: the route in your own head that you
don't continually have to use it.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: But one of the things was phone numbers,
since we come from an era of having a phone
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::[Robb]: book to write it in, or somewhere I
have a list of phone numbers from when I was
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::[Robb]: in early high school,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: and I kept it, it's in a box somewhere,
that literally has all these people's numbers
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::[Robb]: written down on it, and I would keep
that in a notebook. So if I needed to call
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::[Robb]: somebody that I didn't call often enough,
I would go down the line and find their number,
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::[Robb]: our phone today, but I knew tons of
people's phone numbers. So I
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: think that that's an art that went away
with us.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah, I remember losing
my phone in Vegas once and I didn't even know
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: my well now ex I didn't
know his number because he had gotten a new
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: one. I knew his old ones
but I didn't know the new one and I was like
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I can't even call to tell
him I don't have my phone. First of all, I
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: can't make a call. I don't
have a phone. Second of all, I don't know his
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: number. Can't make the
call so that made me remember. I was always
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: really good at remembering
numbers. I still am somebody tells me a number
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I'm like say it again,
and then I have it it's in my head, but um
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: yeah that caught me off
guard So since then there are my dad my brother
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: my uncle my ex my kid You
know there's a couple of people that I had
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: always kept their phone
numbers just in case You gotta have somebody
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: a lifeline of some sort
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::[Robb]: Yeah, I, thankfully we can back a lot
of the stuff up. I think it's a good bet to
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::[Robb]: always have important numbers written
down if you
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: have to, like in a wallet. or a purse
or something to that nature where if you really,
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::[Robb]: really had to get a number, you could.
Because
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: if we ever lose our phones, we're lost.
We have no idea how to function as a member
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::[Robb]: of society now, which is kind of scary
to the point where we really can't do much.
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::[Robb]: And heaven forbid if you watch what
it does to a younger generation, take their
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::[Robb]: phone away.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: They flip out.
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::[Robb]: Oh man, it's...
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I remember when my kid
was little, she wanted a cell phone. I was
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: like over my dead effing
body. You're going to like go to school and
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: learn. I don't want all
the problems that my friends were having with
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: their kids. And she didn't
have one. And then when we got her one, it
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: was like, I don't know
a couple years before she graduated. She was
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: only allowed to use it
to call for, you know, to be picked up if she
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: was staying after school
or she was out with friends. It was only to
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: be used for that. There
was no internet on it. I refused because I
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: felt like she needed to
be present and if she had that phone, she was
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: not going to be and it
was just a situation where we needed her to
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: be with us. You know what
I mean? We needed her to be checked in
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and a lot of the kids at
the time were not checked in. Because of that,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I feel that she was able
to go to college because she learned how to
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: concentrate. She learned
how to do without a phone. She had a life.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: And so out of all the kids
that she grew up with, she was the only one
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: that graduated college
and then went on to her master's. So I'm like,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I think I won on that one.
I think, she doesn't talk to me, but still
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: she could take care of
herself. And I don't know if she could have
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: had I given her a phone
and that all that. comes with it would have
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: helped her out as much
as not having it.
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::[Robb]: I'll agree with you. I think I've had
some issues with my son during the years of
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::[Robb]: not being checked in. It's horrible.
We've talked about it on dating shows where
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::[Robb]: people are at tables not communicating
at all because they're on their phones. And
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::[Robb]: I still kind of have that sometimes
with him, not as bad because I'll call him
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::[Robb]: out on it. You know dude, we're at dinner
put your phone down like chill out. Tell your
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::[Robb]: friends you're eating
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: And if they don't get it, I don't care
but um I see it way more and like we talked
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::[Robb]: about it as well with like babysitting
like people just put an ipad in front of their
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::[Robb]: kid to babysit now and There's so many
Bad things that can be learned off of it that
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Oh yeah!
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::[Robb]: you're that you're right where we might
be dumbing our kid down and teaching them things
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::[Robb]: at the same time.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm. We had a conversation
my I'm on a thread with my brother and his
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: friends that we all grew
up together and They were they were talking
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: about oh getting the iPhone
versus the Android you know they were talking
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: about that and like Who
knew you could get all of your porn for free
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and the guys are like you
could get that with any phone You have and
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: that made me laugh because
I remember back in the day they would go and
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: they had there's this one
friend's dad had a bunch of porn and they would
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: go and steal it and then
it would go around the whole group of friends
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and then they'd all make
jokes about it to this day. So that to me was
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: it was kind of a funny
conversation because they're like, yeah, we
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: don't need to steal it
anymore. It's right there. You
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::[Robb]: Right.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: know, it's at the palm
of all of our hands. And you know, does your
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: wife get mad about it?
My wife, my wife is so beyond caring. It's
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: like not a big deal. But
the other another wife had found some and you
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: know on the history and
was pissed and he's like how can you be mad
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: it's at my fingertips
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::[Robb]: Right.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and i couldn't stop laughing
because i know these guys and i know how they
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: are but man if their women
have a problem with them watching porn or listening
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: to porn doing whatever
they're doing with porn they got they got a
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: rude awakening because
these guys have been doing this since before
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: telephones
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::[Robb]: Right, right. I think everything has
been made simple and in the touch of our hand,
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::[Robb]: which is awesome,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: to a degree. Like if you wanted like
way back in the day, I remember talking to
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::[Robb]: my dad and we'd be talking about a movie
and we're like, oh man, you remember that actor
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::[Robb]: and you could never come up with it.
and
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: you'd be, now they have the internet
movie database
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: and all you do is type in the name of
the movie and every actor that was in it comes
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::[Robb]: up. So
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: yes, there's great knowledge to be learned,
but
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: We
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::[Robb]: on the
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: used
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::[Robb]: flip,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: to like call people to
find
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::[Robb]: oh
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: out,
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::[Robb]: yeah,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: hey, do you remember that
movie? Who was in it? My dad
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::[Robb]: who was
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: was
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::[Robb]: in
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: great
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::[Robb]: it?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: for that.
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::[Robb]: Yep.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: My uncle's great for that
still. My brother too with music. I'll be like,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: what song is this? Who
sang it? He goes, oh no, it wasn't those people.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: It was these people. I'm
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::[Robb]: It
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: like,
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::[Robb]: was these guys,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: how
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::[Robb]: yeah.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: did he remember? Like.
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::[Robb]: Exactly. I'm big on pop culture as well,
so I do know a lot of this stuff, and I know
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::[Robb]: a
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: lot about old movies. The guy that sits
next to me at work, he's like 60-something
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::[Robb]: years old. and we'll be talking about
something. He's like, oh, you remember this
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::[Robb]: guy in this movie? I go, yeah, that's
not right. He's like, what do you mean? I said,
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::[Robb]: it's this guy. And he goes, no, and
I'll look it up. And he's like, oh, he goes,
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::[Robb]: how do you remember this stuff? I go,
look, my dad watched old movies. So I know
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::[Robb]: a lot of pop culture references
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: or older movies. But yeah, it does help.
Those are the helping things. The flip side
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::[Robb]: is I've worked with younger guys when
I was in alarm tech. And again, not to shit
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::[Robb]: on younger people. but these people
didn't know how to use hand tools. Like a screwdriver,
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::[Robb]: this kid had never used a screwdriver
before or a hammer. Like you've never used
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::[Robb]: a hammer before? He's like, no. I says,
who did the stuff in your house? Well, my dad
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::[Robb]: did. Like he didn't teach you how to
use fucking tools? No.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Thanks for watching!
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::[Robb]: And. So like for me, that's the big
thing. It's like whenever I do something, I
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::[Robb]: show my kid, like this is what you need.
And when he got a car, I put a small bag of
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::[Robb]: tools together
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: to have in his car, like just in case.
Like if we need a wrench, you gotta have a
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::[Robb]: wrench, you gotta have this, you gotta
have that. And how
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: to use them, like you need to know,
what are you going to do?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: You know what was weird
for me was I write notes to my niece and nephew
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and I write only in handwriting
because that's how we were raised. Like that's
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: how you write.
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::[Robb]: Right.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: And my niece gave it back
to me. She said, um, Thea, I don't know how
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: to read this. And I'm like,
what? How do you not know? But they don't teach
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: that anymore. It's
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::[Robb]: No.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: not something that they
teach to keep people's brain going. You know,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I just, it blows my mind.
Why would you not know how to write?
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::[Robb]: because we type everything now on
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: No,
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::[Robb]: a phone.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: we don't. I still write.
You write a card. You can't type in a card.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: You can't. Well, I guess
if you make a card or whatever you could, but
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: what the
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::[Robb]: No,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: hell?
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writing.
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::[Robb]: It's just in block writing. So that's
all how they know how to do it.
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::[Robb]: I had to teach my son how to do a signature
so he could do a signature on his ID.
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::[Robb]: I was like, and he's like, well, I'll
just write it out. I go, no, I go, then anyone
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have a signature line that's different than
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you. And he's like,
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::[Robb]: and they think that a lot of this stuff
is dumb, they're like, that's stupid.
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that is where we're losing the battle of the
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They've made things so easier now that
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::[Robb]: people think they just don't need to
learn anything.
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part of the internet, and I guess it could
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be fair, is that it's... You don't know if
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::[Robb]: Oh man, technology, it'll actually just
kick your ass. See, technology, we're talking
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you smarter? And we had to take a small break
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record and I didn't. And lo and behold, I looked
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good stuff, like about how kids need to get
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I think that it's such an important thing that
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our children with devices instead of getting
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a city thing.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: whenever there's kids around
me, I spend time with them. I pull out some
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: coloring books, I bake
something, and I hate baking, but I'll do that
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I always try to entertain them, be around them,
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though I'm in an adult situation. Like kids
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whole scene and not heard. I came from that
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you need to spend time with kids, they need
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out to people. So I'm not one of those people
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like to play games and do stuff with them,
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the norm.
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communities, it's more like that still, or
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lived in the city my whole life.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: And I think here what I'm
seeing is phones are taking over. You know,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: when my niece texts me
and she's at school, I'm like, dude, you're
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down, learn what you're supposed to learn,
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only a minute. No worries. Like,
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in this.
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school three years ago, two years ago, three
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I came from that. He would text me from school
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doing tonight? It's like, dude, learn. Are
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dude. But that was the problem. Teachers have
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realize that they're gonna be in class and
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be hard to be a teacher though. How could you
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just find the answers right in front of you?
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where kids really aren't learning anymore.
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an answer, it's a phone away. I know some classes
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a wall where you have to put your phone in
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go, hey, are you here to learn? And if you're
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of be like Tam. I think Tam would have done
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like, hey,
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I mean, mostly in the communicators class we
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was to step in and be part of a group and,
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have been, oh, he would have been a monster.
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in today's climate of trying to teach, you
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away because part of teaching is to have interaction
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in the conversation. So,
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on a phone. And like I said, for the tasks
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amazing. It is, it just is. But it's definitely
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but just it makes us not have to learn. and
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tool that we should all continue to do at whether
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are building blocks for as you go forward.
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they tell I see a lot of things with Alzheimer's
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about because Tony Bennett just died.
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And you know that like he couldn't remember
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he could still go on stage and sing.
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music.
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deteriorating really badly now,
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They posted a picture of him the other day.
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doing these like long harmonica numbers.
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of course on the internet, that how music and
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maybe that there's something where it unlocks
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keeping our minds going in the right direction,
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later on, where you're just not remembering
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study or not having to really put in work,
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It's like, hold on,
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Where you're just not keeping the information
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when you need it and then dispelling it out
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hope I'm wrong. Because... We need a generation
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learning important parts because they're going
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get older.
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and know how to play video games doesn't mean
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anything.
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teaching methods or the internet, they probably
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want you to learn hands-on things where we
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class. They've gotten rid of shop class in
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I think is a usable thing, but we should make
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Well, how do they get fine
motor skills if they're not using their hands
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write things like you need to learn how to
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that you know we're going to have doctors as
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these things come into play and if they're
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do anything but tap on something we've we're
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at some point. Because people won't be able
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do for, you know, to keep their hands alive,
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to work on anything hands-on.
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way.
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a small amount of people who can do it, which
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::[Robb]: if you can, your trade, if that's your
trade, you'll be a killer. You'll be a killer
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or build houses.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: But see, that's not fine
motor skills. I'm talking more like being able
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a surgeon, being able to feel things that,
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a doctor or a vet, or you need to be very in
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And I think that kids are not getting that
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::[Robb]: Well, I mean, the simple stuff, even
what you're saying, but on a home thing, people
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Cut meat, cut vegetables. Like, those are also
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digit in your own house if you don't know how
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they grip it like the grip of death. trying
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You have to, you know, ease it through the
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everything.
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like halfway through. I don't want to do this
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skills that will get you through later on in
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on in life if you can't do it? And you know
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phone and order
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get on their phone when the restaurant is 10
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have someone bring it and pay three times as
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to pick up my phone and order it.
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costing you double the amount when you can
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street, sit at the place. Even if it's fast
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in your car and it costs less. to get your
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it was to order it from the person who they
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three times the amount to come into your house.
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::[Robb]: but I don't have to leave then. It's
like, wow, wow. Okay, you know you're gonna
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life doing that.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Because you don't know
your neighbors, you know? And we, I live right
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know, where we had one of the biggest earthquakes
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times, you know, I'm right there. And you need
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You need to know, you know, your people that
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the corner from. And you should know the people
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and different things, because at some point
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lifeline. And
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: spending all your time
in the house and having everything delivered
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a chance encounter with a neighbor? You're
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not. So you're, you're setting yourself up
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even realize it.
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making it Harder for people to want to interact
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::[Robb]: easier to sit behind a keyboard and
just text people all day where you don't really
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Which I think is a horrible thing too, because
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message to somebody and they read it the wrong
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And
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I'm like, wait, what did
you say? And they'll say, read it again. And
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it.
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::[Robb]: yeah, they'll be like, I'm like, why
are you mad at me? I'm not mad at
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::[Robb]: you, just, and they're like, oh, well,
because the way you wrote it, it's like inflection
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different. Where, and I have a friend who,
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he leaves voice messages.
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from him is a voice message.
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So there is no worry about how you
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: feeling in his voice. You
could feel like where he's coming from. You
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::[Robb]: Yeah, and which I guess with FaceTime,
you're at least better, right? But I couldn't
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who lives down the street. You know what I
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I really don't FaceTime
per se, but when I do, I enjoy it because I'm
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to see your face. I
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: love this, you know, it,
and we'll have like a conversation conversation,
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like let's go here, let's go there sort of
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I've been on FaceTime, it's to interact thoroughly
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So FaceTime, I'm kind of a fan of.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, I am as well. But it's generally
with people who are further away where you
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doing it quickly. Like, boop, hey, I need to
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behind. Just so you know, I'm in the car, I'm
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Or it's great at the grocery
store when you're picking up something for
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: somebody and you're not
quite sure what to get.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: if FaceTime... Look, do
you want this one or that
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::[Robb]: yeah. Do you want the pink box or the
green box?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Right, check them out,
which is which.
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::[Robb]: Which is which?
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::[Robb]: And yeah, I agree. Those are where the
internet and things make things so easy, but
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that's, it's not changing the dynamics of how
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::[Robb]: things are done. like how you learn
something or how you interact with somebody.
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to the point. Hopefully, that's what it'll
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::[Robb]: information. The information's super
high way, right? That's what it was sold as.
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::[Robb]: I think it even started with AOL. I
think AOL is where we lost track where everything
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::[Robb]: was about messaging people. How can
I get into a chat room or how can I chat with
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::[Robb]: somebody? And then it just went right
to text messaging where, yes, a text message
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::[Robb]: is awesome. when you need to get something
across. And you need a simple message not to
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::[Robb]: bother someone if they're doing work
or doing where
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: you can go, oh yeah, there's the message,
cool. I can tell that it's changing because
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::[Robb]: I watched the keynote for the next iOS
for Apple. And this is at least for Apple users.
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::[Robb]: I don't know, I haven't used an Android
in years. What they've done now is where you
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::[Robb]: can send a voice message to somebody
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Hmm.
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::[Robb]: and if you want, you can click it and
it'll give you it in writing.
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::[Robb]: So I think it'll help both sides of
that equation where if you can't hear the message.
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::[Robb]: So you can't hear the message. you know,
in the text, you'll be able to at least read
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: like if you were in a meeting, you're
like, oh okay, this is what they said. Or you
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::[Robb]: can click on it and hear the voice and
you can hear the inflection. They're trying
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::[Robb]: to at least change that part where I
think it's the internet and what we do on phones
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::[Robb]: is becoming, it's dehumanizing people.
Maybe not making them stupid, but definitely
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::[Robb]: making them robotic.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I'd agree with that. I
would to some degree. I don't and again, I
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: don't think it's as much
our generation as it is the ones under us.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I
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::[Robb]: Yeah.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: definitely think the ones
under us are losing the human touch
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::[Robb]: Yeah.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: of, you know, of life.
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::[Robb]: I think that our generation definitely
gripped it. Cause we're the AOL generation.
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::[Robb]: We were the first ones
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: to really, I was probably in my mid
twenties.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: We were the first one to take a hold
of it and go, oh, this is cool. And we saw,
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::[Robb]: I think we saw the flaws in it quickly,
probably in the first two or three years of
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::[Robb]: that going, man, this... Because you
could get stuck on AOL for hours and hours
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::[Robb]: and hours.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: And I think that's the other thing the
internet is. It's a time crusher. You know,
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::[Robb]: time is a currency, right? And you don't
have a lot of it. And
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That's true.
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::[Robb]: you should choose how that time is spent.
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::[Robb]: And again, entertainment is a weird
thing. Podcasts, I spend a lot of time on podcasts.
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::[Robb]: But I generally only do them while I'm
driving. I rarely listen to a podcast at my
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::[Robb]: house. Because I think that's where
the phone becomes your. your lifeline of going,
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::[Robb]: okay, I can plug this in, I can listen
to this, because I already know I have a 35
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35 minute on the way home. So I can listen
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::[Robb]: to, don't get this twisted, on the way
to work, and I can finish it on the way home.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: And generally, I listen to our show
afterwards just to make sure that what I put
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::[Robb]: out sounds really good. And I'll usually
do that with whatever show I listen to. I'll
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::[Robb]: listen to Joe Rogan every blue moon
and Rogan will have a three and a half hour
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::[Robb]: podcast. And I rarely finish them because
I have to listen to them for days.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: for all week.
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::[Robb]: And he puts out daily podcasts. So
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: to listen to a three and a half hour
podcast is really hard for me. But people will
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::[Robb]: say the same thing about movies, right?
Who wants to watch a three and a half hour
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::[Robb]: movie?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah, I can't sit still
that long. Just can't.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, and you're you like to interact
with people. So I would rather I think I'm
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::[Robb]: getting more like that. I would rather
interact with human beings. I'd rather go sit
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::[Robb]: at a at a restaurant for three hours,
bullshitting than,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: you know, sit on my phone for three
hours,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Absolutely.
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::[Robb]: you know, texting with somebody.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Oh, for sure. Without a
doubt. It's always better to have the person,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: unless you're fighting.
But even then, it's like it's good to have
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: the person right there
because you could communicate faster, more
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: effectively. You see body
language, you hear tones. You got all that.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: But if it's a fight, fuck
it. I'll text all text, get my point across
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and then be like, yeah,
I'm done.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, but like I said, when you're fighting,
inflection is everything as well. Because you
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: could say something that you don't mean
for it to come off bad, and then someone will
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::[Robb]: read that and make it the worst thing
possible. And
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Well,
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::[Robb]: the internet...
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: that takes us to a different
type of person that's coming around now, where
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: everybody's a victim. So
you can't say the truth and you gotta watch
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: how you sugarcoat things
and make it so that people can receive it.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That's a whole nother ball
game.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: And that's a pain in the
ass, actually. That's where I have a hard time
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: with younger people. I'm
like, no, I don't want to do this with you.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Like,
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::[Robb]: Right.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: I'd rather talk to somebody
that I can have communication with, not somebody
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: that's going to be offended
or have a problem with every word that comes
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: out of my mouth. I don't
have time for that.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, and I think the internet in general,
where it's meant to get lost in now, because
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: like, look at social media. I forgot
the time spent. I'm gonna try to look that
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::[Robb]: up while we're talking. What the average
time spent is on social media, which is the
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::[Robb]: internet. So let's see if it comes up.
average.
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::[Robb]: Let's see, here we go. So the average
person spends 152 minutes a day.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That's
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::[Robb]: So
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: it? I think that's low.
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::[Robb]: this was as of 2022, but I mean, even
so that's, what is that, 60, it's almost two
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::[Robb]: hours a day of your life is spent on
social media.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Hmm.
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::[Robb]: So if you look at it that way, eight
hours is spent sleeping. Right?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Bye.
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::[Robb]: So, and then eight hours is supposed
to be spent working,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: but you're there generally nine, if
you have a job like mine where you get an hour
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::[Robb]: lunch.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: So that's 17 hours right there of work
and
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::[Robb]: sleeping. So you only have, what, another
six hours of time to yourself.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: and two spent on the phone.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, so think about that when you break
it down like that two hours now seems like
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::[Robb]: damn I'm spending a lot of time and
that's just the average I guarantee you it's
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::[Robb]: It's much more than that It's probably
gaining steam, you know what I mean
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: as it as it goes more And then think
of it this way, that's just social media. Some
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::[Robb]: of us work where we have to be on the
internet, right? We have to
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: right?
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::[Robb]: look up stuff. And so let's go there.
Let's go average, average. spent. on internet.
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::[Robb]: So let's see if it says, let's go here.
The average time spent on the internet per
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::[Robb]: day in 2022 was six hours and 35 minutes.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That's way higher.
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::[Robb]: Now that's, but that's the internet
that could be, you know, Amazon, that could
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::[Robb]: be social media, but yeah, that's the
average user is six hours and 58 minutes per
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::[Robb]: day. So like we said, you only have
six hours of free time. So obviously
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: some of this is spent at work,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: but that's a massive amount of time.
taken out of your day to surf the internet,
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::[Robb]: buy stuff on Amazon, argue with people
on social media. I think so is it making us
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::[Robb]: stupider? Eek. That's a...
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: No, I don't know. I'd say
more disconnected than anything. I would say
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: not as stupid because I'm
more than willing to look up things now where
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: before I didn't because
of having to go through those big books to
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: find anything. So I
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::[Robb]: So we'll
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: don't
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::[Robb]: say
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: know.
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::[Robb]: definitely disconnected from
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Hmm.
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::[Robb]: social life.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: For sure.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, I mean six hours, that's a, now
that I think about it, I mean I'm on the internet
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::[Robb]: a lot because of my work, I have to
be able to search product and our website is
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::[Robb]: kind of a way of searching things for
myself to find part numbers. So
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: that one, I would say that part of that
hat is part of my job. I used to be on the
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::[Robb]: internet a lot more when I would get
home, but I kind of shut down. If anything,
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::[Robb]: I'm on television and I usually am just
zoning out there. I'm just trying to break
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::[Robb]: down my day and kind of relax. Some
of it's,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: you know, walking my dog or doing other
things and... you know, an hour of that is
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::[Robb]: traveling to get dinner or making dinner.
But I do my best now to kind of the problem
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::[Robb]: now is that YouTube is. Television.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: So you can get lost in that. And to
me, that's almost the internet. So am I getting
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::[Robb]: lost in nonsense? Yeah, probably. So
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: I don't know, I think, you know, where
do we stand? I'll kind of agree with you. I
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::[Robb]: will say that it's more disconnection
than it is dumbing us down.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: But I definitely think that we're losing
the war of maybe reading books and learning
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::[Robb]: more that direction. If you're using
the internet to read books, like, you know.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Like I do? Heh
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::[Robb]: legitimate
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: heh
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::[Robb]: books,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: heh.
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::[Robb]: I think it's awesome. Cause that's just
another way of reading. Cause you're having
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::[Robb]: to download the book. You're just using
the phone or tablet as a way to carry the book
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::[Robb]: differently.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: I just hope that we find a way to use
it more for legitimate learning and... and
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::[Robb]: finding a way to put that into the hands,
like you said, of how to use your hands and
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::[Robb]: how to function with that and kind of
taking the knowledge we learn on the internet
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::[Robb]: and using it in the field. Because like
my son has learned how to cook a bunch of shit
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::[Robb]: on the internet, which is awesome.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Nice. Me too.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, so. You know, and not just recipes
legitimately watching them how to cut certain
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::[Robb]: things and how to do it a certain way.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: But I hope that we find a way to use
social media way less. Because I think that
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::[Robb]: it's not making us dumber, but it's
making us way more divided.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm, absolutely.
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::[Robb]: So, I don't know if we've came up with
a solution on this episode, but we've definitely
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::[Robb]: got to throw opinions around and kind
of discuss where we think we are with the internet.
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::[Robb]: We'd love to hear what you guys think.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: We've definitely been getting a couple
of more ideas from you fans as well, which
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::[Robb]: is super awesome.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: That's great.
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::[Robb]: And I've thrown out a couple of invites
to some of the people. to see if they would
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::[Robb]: like to come on and discuss those issues.
So if you'd like to
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: discuss anything with us and be on the
show, go to our social medias on Instagram,
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::[Robb]: Twitter, Facebook for now. Soon, tip
talk and come on the show. We would love to
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::[Robb]: hear from you and
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: And it's
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::[Robb]: check.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: not like you have to come
out to us. It's an easy hookup on the internet,
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: so...
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::[Robb]: Yes, the interwebs, what do you know?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Yes.
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::[Robb]: And make sure to check us out on every
platform that you can hear podcasts on, Apple,
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::[Robb]: Spotify, Google, Amazon, iHeartRadio,
every single one, we're everywhere. And yeah,
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::[Robb]: next week, what are we gonna talk about?
We are gonna talk about losing weight and how
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::[Robb]: hard it is. Because...
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Mmm, good one.
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::[Robb]: For fuck's sake, it's hard.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Hehehehe
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::[Robb]: And I think the older you get, the harder
it is. But we're
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: greed.
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::[Robb]: gonna discuss that and what we think
and maybe ways of getting to do that. I don't
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::[Robb]: know. Well, me and Tina are gonna talk
about that this week as we go, but we have
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::[Robb]: shows lined up for sure. Anything else
for our internet talk there, Miss Tina?
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Have a good week everybody
and remember to follow, subscribe and share.
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::[Robb]: Share. Yes. Share with your grandma
so they can hear us say cuss words all the
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::[Robb]: time.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: No.
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::[Robb]: And then share with your young teenager
so they can be mad at us.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Oh Jesus.
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::[Robb]: Until next week, you know, this is an
opinion show, so don't get it twisted. Keep
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::[Robb]: coming back. We'll see you next week.
And Tina, thanks a lot. We'll talk to you later.
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::[Tina Marie Garcia]: Thanks Rob, have a good
one.
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::[Robb]: No problem, bye.
