EP # 131 What's wrong with the prison system?

Robb (: 00:00

And welcome to another show of Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob, along with my co-host as always, Tina. How you doing, Tina?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 00:07

I'm good, Rob. It's been a long day, but I'm doing alright. How are you?

Robb (: 00:11

It's a tad wet outside.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 00:13

Ah, this freaking weather was no fun today. Every time I wanted to go out, I was getting severely rained on.

Robb (: 00:17

Yeah, yeah.

Robb (: 00:23

It was, yeah, this morning my ride to work was very dangerous. It was really bad. Well, it was not fun. Thankfully, my ride home was like misty and easy.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 00:29

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 00:38

Oh nice. I had to take my dad at six o'clock this morning to have a procedure done and It poured on us and the water was to the middle of the street So when you step down off the curb you were soaked So it's that was the beginning of my day before it was even light enough to see the water It was a pretty freakin heavy rain day

Robb (: 00:39

Yeah, so I'm good.

Robb (: 00:55

Yeah, and we're.

Robb (: 01:02

Where you're at, the sewer system is absolute dog shit.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 01:07

Yeah. Yep.

Robb (: 01:08

Yeah, it's not good. Where I'm at, there are parts of the street that are not very good, similar to where you're at. Like there were some streets, if you were in the number two lane or closest to the curb, it was about four and a half feet to five feet out. So you were...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 01:28

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 01:28

And then I was on the freeway this morning in the number one lane and a lot of parts was underwater. So I kind of went to the middle of the freeway and was like, I'm in no hurry to get to work.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 01:36

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 01:41

And I still have my broken bone in my foot that's been, gosh, it's been since before Christmas. It's, uh, it's not healed all the way. So trying to walk in the rain was not, it was not easy. It's been, I'm ready for my foot to be better and I'm ready for my back to not be out because, you know, the foot and walking differently is now pulled my back out. So I'm having a good time. This, the shit of getting old is, uh, is for.

Robb (: 01:56

Mm-mm.

Robb (: 02:10

is for the shits. That is very true. It makes you want to go.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 02:11

is not for the weak. It's for the birds. Ha ha ha. Is for the birds. And you know when it rains, it pours, literally. So, you know, it's just what life is right now. Yep.

Robb (: 02:19

Yeah, it just.

Robb (: 02:23

It does, it makes me wanna go, yes, very much, very much so. So today, we're going to talk the prison system because you, yes, there are rights in the prison system. That was the wrong answer, the wrong answer button.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 02:30

Yep.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 02:42

and their rights being in the prison system.

What was that?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 02:53

Oh. Ha ha.

Robb (: 02:53

I was hitting something to check on it. So, we kind of talked off air and I'm gonna let you kind of detail it real quick because we can kind of catch up and then we'll talk about exactly how bad things are on the inside and out. Go.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 03:11

Yeah, I have a friend whose husband is in prison for a very long time for acts against children. And you know, I watched this poor woman try to keep her house and try to, you know, pay her bills and try to do everything that she needs to do because

Even though he went through this and he got incarcerated, there's still bills that need to get paid. There's still things that need to, you know, she still needs to keep everything together and, and not that she wants to be with them. I think she's afraid a little bit. So that's why she continues to be with them knowing that he's not going to get out of prison anytime soon. But she's just trying to keep things together and keep everything copacetic so that she could live. Because his rights as her.

Robb (: 03:54

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 04:04

husband will literally screw her over even though she's the one for the last like I don't even know about ten years that's had to keep it together pay all the house note and the bills and everything and all he's done is just tried to torture her for his wrongdoings and I was talking to her about it and I just it really pisses me off that he has all these rights like he's in the best shape of his life because all he does is work out

Robb (: 04:32

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 04:32

He is privileged to any book that he wants and schooling. So he's often doing that sort of stuff and it seems like, you know, he left her with not only the embarrassment of the things that he did but also, you know, the people that took his side over hers in it, you know that were family members from him being so he's just a liar.

Robb (: 04:49

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 05:01

He's a liar and he's a manipulator and he's good at, at schmoozing people, which you know, we know a lot of criminals like that are. Um, and, and here she's stuck holding the bag and, and it just, I was so aggravated the other day and talking to her because I feel so bad. There's really nothing that could be done for her. She needs to get a lawyer. She needs to divorce him. But in doing so, he's going to have, he's going to get like 50% of everything.

Even though he probably won't ever get out of prison, even though he hasn't done anything to take care of it in over 10 years, you know, it's I was thinking about all the all the rights that prisoners have and I'm sorry, but I think it's kind of bullshit. I don't think it's kind of bullshit. I think it's really bullshit. Like who do they think they are that they could

live so horribly and do things that they did and yet they have more rights than the people that are left behind so that was my and live better yeah like he's got nothing but time to do whatever he wants and he's fully taken care of and he doesn't have to he doesn't even have to make his meals you know he just uh i don't know unless he wants to do uh some of their crazy

Robb (: 06:03

for sure and live better.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 06:23

Recipes they do in a microwave because I guess you could have a microwave, but uh, I don't know

Robb (: 06:27

which is a whole other, you can have a microwave and a TV.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 06:32

Right? Yeah.

Robb (: 06:35

There are people right now that don't have that, that are struggling in life.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 06:41

Yes, and a lot of them get phones inside, you know, not that they're supposed to have them, but they have them. They get, you know, free medical. I'm so frustrated with the system right now because here I'm watching TV. Just today with my father, we're watching the news and they're going to start...

Robb (: 06:44

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 07:06

After being caught three times on the third time of doing the smash and grab robberies like they're doing all over California right now, then they're gonna press charges. The third time. Are you freaking kidding me? There's these stupid ass people that are going in a big mob, scaring the shit out of everybody, just vandalizing the hell out of everything that they can and steal it and they're gonna...

Robb (: 07:17

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 07:32

not have anything to worry about until it's the third time of getting caught. Not the third time of doing it, the third time of getting caught. So I've got some issues with our criminal systems right now. Excuse me?

Robb (: 07:38

Right. Yeah. I mean, there's a way to fix that. There's a way to fix it. There's a way to fix it.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 07:47

Yeah, everybody should have a gun. You know, I was never very, I was never Republican. OK, I always was probably more liberal, but even liberals getting too, it's just too freaking much. You know, these people are getting away with too much. And and the liberalness of life right now is so.

Robb (: 07:51

I mean, I would never say to do that.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 08:16

People that are really liberal just seem so weak-titty to me. I don't know how else to say that, but...

Robb (: 08:21

Yeah, I think it's more progressiveness. The liberal is now more in the... Well, that's what they call it. The more liberal, or what we would consider liberals from like the 60s and 70s, are really more like the middle ground now, instead of being liberal. The left is out of their minds.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 08:23

Where's their backbone?

Progressiveness? It's not progressive.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 08:40

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 08:43

Yeah.

Robb (: 08:46

I mean, they don't want to prosecute people. They don't want to put people in prison. When they get to prison, they live better than anyone. You know, like for me, I'm kind of crazy. I would change the whole prison system. It would be.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 08:58

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 09:04

there would be no gyms there would be no tv there would be no phones there'd be nothing and you would be on a work program so the guy who would be in a cell you'd have two man cells you'd have one that would go to work so he would learn and this is non-violent criminals not violent criminals violent criminals we should do other things to them um

Tina Marie Garcia (: 09:12

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 09:26

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 09:31

But nonviolent criminals, you work them, and then when that guy comes back to his cell, the next guy leaves for his work shift, and you make it work, and you go and you teach them how to use saws and weld, and give them something when they get out. For someone like the person you're talking about, he should be chemically castrated, first of all.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 09:31

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 09:48

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 09:54

any kind of assault against a child should you should be chemically castrated um that solves that part of the mostly the if it's a uh sexual assault we get rid of that um and secondly if you're in for life if you belong to the government and we should um

Tina Marie Garcia (: 09:55

There you go.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 10:03

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 10:08

It is.

Robb (: 10:17

make sure that your stay is not pleasurable the whole time you're there. You should rarely see other human beings. Yeah, well, I agree.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 10:24

Mm-hmm, and they should work They should be working they should be coming up with a business that they could do to where we're not putting out all this money To house them and take care of them

Robb (: 10:35

Yeah, remember when they used to make license plates? You know, that was, I'm not sure if they do or not anymore. I mean, that was a big thing. They pretty much made license plates for the country. So like you would have, they'd make Californians and then the state over would make Arizona license plates and things like that. I see where you're coming from to where I think, look, this is somebody who...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 10:39

Yeah, did they even do that anymore?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 10:48

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 11:05

is in the system. Do they really deserve half of the house that they really aren't paying for anymore? I would say no. I'm kind of bad on that because I bought a house with someone when I was very young. She ended up leaving the state and I kept paying the mortgage.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 11:16

No.

Robb (: 11:33

Um, but we live in California. So when she wanted to sell it, she sued me for that And made me sell it So and here's their thing the court was like you could have rented it for more than your Your mortgage so It is what it is So

Tina Marie Garcia (: 11:33

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 11:42

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 11:59

Wow.

Robb (: 11:59

she's probably in the same ballpark where they would be like, look, and just imagine if she sells her house, gets out of it in the state, he gets half of that money put into an account where I think, well, I'm not sure how they would do it because there's laws against not putting that money into another property. So maybe there is something to that where.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 12:13

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 12:26

Again, lawyers would have to get involved in I don't know law, so I don't want to Say how things would be but I don't think it's you even said that this guy is asking to send her send him money Yeah, I would

Tina Marie Garcia (: 12:40

Mm-hmm, and she was doing it. She was doing it monthly and I was like, why are you doing this? You don't need to do this. But again, she's not wanting she's scared like she's worried that he's gonna Send people who are getting out of prison to her house, you know that they're gonna come after her that cuz he's threatened her So she lives in this state of fear, which is not fair either. She didn't do what he did and not only that but um

Robb (: 12:48

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 13:10

He's very charismatic and he was somebody that everybody knew and it was crazy how people took his side in it. Like, cause he was able to say, that wasn't me, I didn't do that. And people are believing him, including her family members. And I was like, shame on them, shame on them. That they would turn their back on her, but not him. I don't know, it just, the whole thing seems so absurd to me.

Robb (: 13:20

I've heard that several times.

Robb (: 13:28

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 13:34

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 13:39

how people are acting and treating the situation. I'm really struggling with trying to understand it.

Robb (: 13:47

I've actually heard that in many divorce cases or how different family members will take the side of the spouse than the child. It's crazy to me. I couldn't believe that. And this guy sounds like a narcissistic asshole. So, it's all about him. Everything's about this and everything. And he does have her, unfortunately.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 14:07

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 14:12

And I'm innocent and I'm going to prove myself.

Robb (: 14:16

Well, sounds like he's got a lot of years to prove it.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 14:17

Yeah.

Yeah, right? God forbid they let this man out of prison. God forbid.

Robb (: 14:24

Well, again, I think you, I think she's in a tough spot, right? If you keep the house and you don't send money, you live in fear. If you sell the house, he gets half of it, but now you have a new life.

You can run off, you can try to get away, you can hide, you can move to a new state. There is that part to where there, is there an escape? Yes. Less likely to have anything happen and let's, and again, this is all on, if you really wanna go crazy and like leave the state and start a new life.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 15:07

And I wonder if she could even do that and get away because her siblings are torn in this situation and a few of her female family members are taking his side and advocating for him. So I don't think there's really anywhere that she could go where she's going to be safe. She's, yeah. And why is that fair when he was the one that did that?

Robb (: 15:26

There is you just have to cut off everyone. Yeah, you have to cut off everyone

Robb (: 15:34

It's not but what kind of life do you want to live? Do you want to live in fear all the time or do you want to start a new life and say fuck everybody? I know that's not easy But I think she's at a she's at a point where now is our child involved. Do they have a child together?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 15:38

I hear you.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 15:51

Not anymore. No, no, no. There were children involved when he when he got in trouble. Family members. No.

Robb (: 15:54

No, they don't have a child.

Robb (: 15:58

Right, but they don't have a child. Okay, so that actually helps the situation. So, because legally, if they did, she couldn't leave the state if that child was under 18 without telling him, which is a whole other, you know, can of bullshit.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 16:13

right.

Yeah, these rules that work against people that are doing the right thing need to stop. Like, these criminals have so many rights to things. So many. It blows my mind.

Robb (: 16:29

Right.

Robb (: 16:34

I think it puts people that are violent in a much more...

Robb (: 16:48

commanding position, right? You know, he could say, all he has to do is threaten her that I'll just have someone come get you. As easy as that. Where you really can't run from that and now what are you gonna do? You always have your head over your shoulder and you're wondering if he's talking to other family members and they're telling them something.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 16:58

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 17:13

You almost have to start a new life, blank yourself out and, you know, start from scratch. And I don't think that that's easy enough to do.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 17:17

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 17:28

No, no, and she lost a lot of friends and a lot of family members through all this because, you know, everybody picks a side but they, you know, they only see their side. I think one of her one of her siblings just always had the hots for him. I don't know if that's true, but it kind of feels like that and she's asked out of a lot of things because of that and that sibling of hers, shame on her, shame on her for being like that. You know, that's

Robb (: 17:55

Yeah, and...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 17:58

First of all, the loyalty should always be to your family unless your family is a total piece of shit, which this person is not and so right there I have an issue with the family member but Also to put her in a situation where she is continuously victimized by this man like shame on you shame on you being her sibling And that wasn't the only one

Robb (: 18:21

Right. Well.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 18:23

So I'm really, I really struggle with this because the manipulation and the mind, the mind manipulation, well, just the mind fuck really, it's, it's so extreme and, and they have nothing but time to do this. Meanwhile, she's working a couple of jobs. She's trying to keep everything together. She's trying to take her, take her kids into consideration and do what she's got to do. And man, what a struggle that, that for something she had nothing to do with.

Robb (: 18:53

Yeah, it's kind of a no-win situation because you've gotten with somebody who's a monster, right? They're using everything against you. You're in a place that you can't get out of or they're threatening that if you know anything happens and

Tina Marie Garcia (: 19:02

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 19:17

Unless it's in writing, which is I doubt he's writing, oh, maybe he is texting or however it is. I would take it to a lawyer and I would take it to the police and say, look, what can I do? But either way, if the family is already against you, you're fucked, right? Because someone's gonna sit you out and talk to him. And obviously that's happening. You know, I wish that there was an answer for it.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 19:28

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 19:38

Mm-hmm.

It is.

Robb (: 19:47

with the exception of run. You almost have to pick up your whole life and disappear. That's really the only way to do it. And it's not easy to do that because there's so many people involved. If she has children, now you have to pick up kids and take them to another state. And you have to get...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 19:59

Mm-mm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 20:06

And how is that even fair?

Robb (: 20:10

It's not.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 20:10

that she has to leave, that she has to start over, that she has to take her family, that she's got to leave everything and everybody behind. And in a day and age of the internet the way it is, there's nowhere she could go and not be found.

Robb (: 20:26

You have to change everything. You have to change your name. You have to disappear. You have to literally flip a switch to be a new person. You have to change your hair color. You have to be on the run, unfortunately. I think that there's ways of doing, look, we live in a big country. And if you moved to a big city, and I mean like,

Tina Marie Garcia (: 20:32

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 20:42

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 20:55

San Antonio, Tampa, you know, the smaller cities in a big state where there's still a shit ton of people. And I mean a lot, you know, you go to, I'm gonna guess that there's probably several million people who live in San Antonio, right? So you can still blur in, but you're not in Dallas and you're not in Atlanta.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 21:07

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 21:20

and you're not in Miami. You're not in places where, you know, and again, unless you really wanna disappear and then you start going to small towns, you know, and if you can find work and get around it, it just sucks because you literally have to cut everyone off for the rest of your life. Can't call mom, can't call.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 21:41

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 21:43

You know, or you know you end up keeping the same phone number you have, right? That's for a local a local number and just call every blue moon and say I'm still alive. That's it because she's fucked.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:02

No. But even that, she could be found super easy the second she pings that phone, you know? I don't know, I...

Robb (: 22:08

I mean, yes and no, I mean, you would have to find someone who's tracking you like the law, but all you have to do really after that is do a missing persons report, say this person's missing, you know, and then you're screwed. So I just don't think it's fair.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:15

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:24

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:27

I don't know, it just, that just doesn't seem feasible to me to do that.

Robb (: 22:32

Mm-mm. It's not. It's you have to be willing to Turn your whole life upside down become a new person and Go your merry way unfortunately and the way the prison system works is you're right it works in their favor and And it shouldn't because they're criminals

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:43

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:48

Absolutely.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 22:56

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 23:01

You know, these are...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 23:02

This is where a liberal a liberal state just has gone overboard.

Robb (: 23:09

Yes. Yeah, I mean, it's unfortunate that no one has heard in prison yet that he did anything to a child. Because generally they take care of that.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 23:19

Right?

Yeah, they should have killed him a long time ago already. And they haven't. But like I said, he's very charismatic. So who knows and who knows what who's saving them? I did hear that he got beat up and stabbed multiple times, but he lived through it. Whether that's true or not is another story. Who knows? Again, he's not known for telling the truth. So.

Robb (: 23:25

Yeah.

Robb (: 23:29

I think...

Robb (: 23:50

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 23:50

Who knows if that actually happened or not? And if it did, like, I'd like to see some proof. It would make me a little bit happy to be honest with you. You know, I kind of want to know that he's suffering. I really would like to know that he's suffering because what he did was something that was beyond. You know, what a what a

what any human being should ever do. That just never, what he did never should have happened. And the fact that he's got more rights than she does just kills me. It kills me.

Robb (: 24:20

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 24:27

Yeah, it's just wrong because you're looking out for the wrong people, you know, and it sucks that the only way that she can probably find out more things is to pay into a lawyer to see what she can do.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 24:32

Mm-hmm. Absolutely.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 24:44

Right. And all of that takes money and she's already working two jobs to try to support herself and keep the lifestyle that they had and do what they're supposed to do. Like how does how does a woman get through all that? I just don't know.

Robb (: 24:48

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 25:02

Well, and it puts her behind the eight ball everywhere. You know, let let's say and again, this is facetiously, but if let's say she wanted to meet somebody, now you're bringing somebody else into that and try explaining that whole pile of shit to somebody.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 25:06

everywhere.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 25:19

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 25:20

You know, most dudes would run and fairly, you know, I'm that's, that's not me trying to be mean, but I mean, a lot of people wouldn't deal with, hey, my ex is in prison and he threatens me all the time and I need to send him money and I can't sell my house. That I mean, talk about getting like, oh yeah, I gotta jump out of this airplane because it's fucking flying and to the ground. You know.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 25:38

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 25:46

Yeah.

Robb (: 25:49

I get it. It's, it's just not right that, that someone who is incarcerated and I know I'm, we'll probably get for this, that, that they're treated much more, much better than someone who's on the outside who didn't do anything wrong. And, and again, the, the state laws when it comes to, you know,

Tina Marie Garcia (: 25:59

Who cares?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 26:07

Right?

Robb (: 26:16

Property rights, I think is kind of a bizarre thing. But again, you know, it's a double-edged sword Yeah, and I know and here's the other thing let's

Tina Marie Garcia (: 26:26

Yeah, it absolutely is. And yet here. Go ahead.

Robb (: 26:33

Even if she wanted to sell it, let's say she wanted to sell it, he can say no.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 26:40

Yeah? Yep.

Robb (: 26:42

The only thing that she has going for her, if she wanted to just absolutely ruin her credit, is walk away. And it would screw him too, because then he'd have a foreclosure against him as well and he'd get no money out of it.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 26:52

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 26:56

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 27:01

That's a bit harsh on her end to have to go through that after all these years of pain and struggle and trying to make it right. I would have a hard time with giving that up like that.

Robb (: 27:10

I agree, but-

Robb (: 27:16

But here's the thing, what are you going to get out of it? With the exception of maybe a low payment, and maybe that's the silver lining in this, this guy is, unless he dies in prison, right? He's going to work against you forever.

And he's going to continue to say, I don't want to sell it when you want to. And if he says, I want to sell it, you can say no. And then he threatens you. There's, this is a vicious circle of just going back and back and back. So the one way out of it again, I mean, I would just save up a shit ton of money and let it go into foreclosure.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 27:53

It totally is.

Robb (: 28:02

And then when it goes into foreclosure, I would call the loan company and say, can I do cash for keys? They'll give you like four or $5,000. You give them the keys so you can walk away, sign that shit over, say the guy who owns it with him, he's in prison, you know, how am I gonna get it signed? And bail out of that shit. But that's the only way and...

And again, there's repercussions that come with that. Now you have a foreclosure, you can't buy a house. There's things that come with it, but there is a parachute to get away from that side of that. And then, but then like we talked about earlier, you have to be willing to cut ties with every single thing you know in your life. Because it sounds like her family's in too tight with this guy and they'll ride her out.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 28:46

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 28:53

Mm-hmm. I believe so. I believe so

Robb (: 28:57

Which is really sad. I mean, family is a weird thing. Family will turn on you in a second. I have another friend who for the longest time, her mother took her ex husband's like side for the longest time. And, and I don't get it. Like, even if you do agree with something that the ex husband says or ex wife says,

Tina Marie Garcia (: 29:03

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 29:16

Mmm.

Robb (: 29:27

Like that's your kid and you should at least go, hey, you know, let's talk more about the story or whatever it was. There was, to me, you know, I don't know. I just think that it's odd. And we're talking about an assault on someone. This isn't like, oh, we fell out of love. This is, you know, a crime against a child.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 29:48

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 29:55

Again, I would have, as soon as I had found out, I'd have shot him. I'd have been present too. It would have.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:01

and it was family members that he did this to.

Robb (: 30:04

Yeah, I would have. And do you know what do you know what drawn and quartering is? In the old days, they would it's called drawn and quartered. It's in the old days, it was a way of getting rid of people, and they would tie arms and legs to horses, and then they'd yell yaw at the same time and they'd run away from each other.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:13

What a what?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:18

No.

Robb (: 30:30

and they'd basically quarter you into four different pieces. And yeah, and I'm telling you that, that changed a lot of people's attitudes about doing crime. We're just too easy on people. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think most human beings don't do crime because they don't want to go to prison. We've made prison cushy.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:31

Oh snap.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:35

Nice.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:44

I would, I would think about it. What's that?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 30:54

Right. Exactly.

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 31:02

and now there's so many gangs in prison that they run the prisons instead of the other way around.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 31:11

Right?

Robb (: 31:12

You know, so now if you shoot someone and you go to prison, you're patted on the back by the rest of the people who are there. You know, we need to go back to chain gangs and, uh, you know, look, the first guy that runs and tries to get over the fence, you just get rid of him. You make prison hard, not easy. It's, you know, like I said, no more gyms.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 31:33

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 31:37

Absolutely. And it should be work like we shouldn't. If the government's so worried about all the money that we're putting into the prisons, just quit doing it. Quit doing it. Let them work and let them build their own prison. And if they want TVs and they want all this other bullshit in it, then they should work for it. You know, there should be a way that that, you know, they have to work for every freaking thing. It shouldn't be coming out of any of the taxpayers money.

Robb (: 31:54

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 32:07

It should be completely self-contained.

Robb (: 32:12

For sure.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 32:12

And there's so many people that are talented enough that they could build it. They could, you know, it needs to be managed, obviously, but. It should definitely not be our money paying for their recreation, for sure.

Robb (: 32:21

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 32:28

Right. I just think that you shouldn't have, you know, phones or TVs or, you know, there's no reason for you to do that. You're you're supposed to go to prison because it's shitty. And it's a bad place to be. Not someplace that is okay to hang out like, oh, I'm just gonna watch Netflix tonight. No, dude, you're gonna sit in a dark cell with nothing. And you're gonna like it because

Tina Marie Garcia (: 32:43

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 32:54

Yeah, and should.

Robb (: 32:56

You don't have a choice. This isn't, you made the choice to do something and now you're here. You know, it's not the other way around. You know, we didn't put you there just for shits and giggles. You did something horrible. So.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 33:10

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 33:11

I just think that we need to reform the prison system on a lot of levels. I'm not a big fan of private prisons where, you know, private companies or private people are building them. I think that there's a problem with that because when you have private prisons, you need people to put in them. So that's a problem. On the government side, I think like the government should take care of the facilities, but...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 33:30

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 33:41

It should be done through tax money, because I think that's the only way you're going to be able to do it, but you have to make it to where people don't want to come back. And then on the flip side, you have to do minor crimes. Don't go to prison and make more prisoners. I always tell people this, you know, I lived out in the Ventura County area for a long time.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 34:00

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 34:06

And if you've ever driven on the 101 and you watched people pick fruit and vegetables on the side of the freeway, that's what we should do to prisoners, that are low crime prisoners. How you give, instead of going to prison, you have to go to Oxnard and pick strawberries. And I will tell you, they will not commit crimes again.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 34:32

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 34:33

because that is hard, hard labor and hard work. And that, but then, but you're not making criminals. You're just making people who don't want to pick fruit.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 34:37

Absolutely.

Robb (: 34:46

You know what I mean? There's there's no there's nothing bad that comes from it. It with the exception of the guy when he leaves he's going I am never doing this shit ever again because I am not picking lettuce and oxnard and it's not it's not a difficult thing. I wish I had an answer for your friend's problem with the exception of bailing.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 34:46

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 34:51

Right?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 35:00

Hehehe

Robb (: 35:13

because unfortunately it seems that she's in that umbrella where she really can't escape and she can't afford a lawyer to find out what her rights are to this guy. I'm assuming that he's texting her.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 35:24

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 35:43

That would be the assumption. Oh, even better. I would take those to the law. Mostly if there's like legitimate threats.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 35:44

He writes letters, I know that for a fact. Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 35:55

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 35:56

Um, and go look, I can't live like this. This person is sending me threatening letters, you know, what do I do? But once she does that, she opens up a bigger can of worms.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 36:13

Mm-hmm. I do believe that once you're in prison for things like this, it should make it very easily It should make it very easy for your spouse to get rid of you If your spouse wants to stay with you, that's fine, too Let them you know stay with them great, you know, don't worry about it But the ones that don't want to put a stamp on their bullshit should really have an easy way of getting rid of that sort of

Robb (: 36:25

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 36:42

problem in their life and being that she's victimized where is her rights where's her support where's her um you know she there should be things in place that would help her not just hey good luck to you because he's an asshole and he's probably going to come after you at some point like he's done in the past to other people that he hasn't uh he hasn't done his time for yet

Robb (: 36:44

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 37:10

but we'll see how that goes. You know, he's just, he's just not a good person. And, and she is such a,

You know, nobody's perfect in any situation. Everybody does their thing. But as far as like people go, she's a really good person and she's trying to keep her family together and she's trying to live the right way and be, you know, loving and caring. And she just doesn't even have she doesn't have what she even needs to have that because he is so caught up in and making sure that, you know.

Robb (: 37:25

Correct.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 37:48

she stays suppressed. I just, um, I feel for her.

Robb (: 37:51

Mm-hmm. Well, I think...

Robb (: 37:57

Yeah, and I know several people like this, you know, we've talked about it in any kind of relationship the narcissistic behavior that That and again mostly men I don't want to say that there's not narcissistic women because I think that there are But I think they manipulate a different way Men try to manipulate with power and force and I think women try to manipulate with beauty right

Tina Marie Garcia (: 38:11

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 38:24

you're not gonna get anyone prettier than me, you're not gonna do this. And on the flip side, it's you're not gonna get a better man than me. But most of these men are fucking dirtbags that don't do things. You know, they believe there's something and they've manipulated so much that in the beginning, the person they're with believes that's who they are. And then they show their colors and it's too late. And now you're caught in this...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 38:25

Okay.

Robb (: 38:54

you know, undertow that's taking you under every single time. And you're living in fear or living in dog shit and you don't know how to get out of it. And she's in that position and the guy's not even in the house. You know, it's like, ah,

Tina Marie Garcia (: 39:05

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 39:13

No, and his cheating ways to go way back, way, way back. And she loved him and she believed him just like, just like you should. You shouldn't get together with a person and already think that they're going to lie to you. You need to have trust and work at that. And, you know, in order to have a good relationship. So she did exactly what she was supposed to do.

Robb (: 39:23

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 39:37

But he didn't, he didn't do it at all. And I just feel like, again, how many ways does a person need to be victimized by somebody who's just a shitty person? So I'm, I don't know, I'm kind of tired of hearing about people rights of prisoners or people that have done heinous acts to people. Like it never should have been like that ever. And...

I don't know. I just I'm really struggling with seeing that and understanding.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 40:18

I don't know. I'm just having a really hard time understanding how that's okay and how there's nothing she could do

Robb (: 40:26

Yeah, I think we're at a point now where we need to look at the law that actually helps the right people and not the wrong people, right? Where, you know, this poor young lady has already gone through enough shit.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 40:39

Right.

Robb (: 40:45

And now you have to get a letter every month from some shithead in a cell telling you that he needs more money. Maybe you need to work harder or you need to find something else to make sure that I get this. Put money on my books. You can't do this, whatever it is. She's still being manipulated by someone who's not even in the same household because of fear and

Tina Marie Garcia (: 41:10

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 41:13

Like you said, there's other people at play, right? If she says the wrong thing out loud to the wrong person, it's going to get back to him. And now here it comes right back around again, where he's like, why'd you say this shit? And blah, blah. And you can't live like that. You can't live, you know, either under the thumb of somebody or in quicksand of, you know.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 41:23

Yes.

Robb (: 41:42

because of somebody. And those are the two things that she's under the thumb because he's doing all this shit, and she's in quicksand because anything that she says or goes around, she's sinking into it because obviously shit's getting back to him because there's manipulative family members that aren't helping the situation.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 41:44

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 42:02

Mm-hmm. There are. There are. And he's already ruined his own family by the things that he's done. And now he ruined hers, too. And I don't know. I believe, yes, I believe that the prisoners that do things of a certain nature should be just work to the bone, just work them to death. Like they're.

Robb (: 42:04

So... I don't know, I...

Robb (: 42:12

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 42:16

Well, because it's all about him.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 42:30

They're in there for the rest of their lives. They're in the best shape they are. Like, let's put them to work. Come on, start paying. If you want this house, if you think you, you deserve it, you should be making half of everything. You should be working your ass off. Have a job in the prison and send your money to her. You know, if that's, if that's what you want, then do your part. Period.

Robb (: 42:34

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 42:53

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 42:53

This whole liberal world that we live into where victimizers get to victimize people over and over and over again, but they're human beings and they have rights. No, fuck that. No. No, they should be paying restitution for all the crappy things they did.

Robb (: 43:07

You've given them up

Robb (: 43:12

Yeah, you've given up your rights when you're sentenced to 25 to 50 years in prison. I'm sorry. And if you're an older person, then you're not making it out. You belong to the, you know, you belong to the system now. Sorry. And the victims in those cases need to be able to continue to live without the fear of.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 43:30

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 43:39

that person continuously, you know, on them. Yeah, it's.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 43:43

Yeah, getting over on you. Yeah. And he's helping, because he's reading all the time. So now he says he's legally helping other people get out of their prison sentences and all this crap. And I'm just like, oh my God, why should he even have a book? Like people that go to prison, they don't get, they don't, they don't get rehabbed. They don't.

So why are we giving them all these things so that they have all these rights? I don't get it.

Robb (: 44:14

Yet generally, you're correct. I think that the statistically speaking says that no, you're not rehabbed. Remember, you come out worse.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 44:23

No. Yeah, because now you know how to work the system and you've got a plethora of criminals that'll tell you their little ins and outs of it.

Robb (: 44:33

Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. Well, and then when you get out you have you have people who are associated with them Who now will help you? Become a bigger criminal

Tina Marie Garcia (: 44:35

Good times.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 44:43

Mm-hmm Yeah, and that's her fear She if she gets a text or she gets a phone call or she gets somebody coming to the door her initial Instinct is oh my god. Is this it? Is this the person that's gonna torture me and Do all the things that he has said or you know? Kind of not be blatantly said but acute Shit was the word I'm looking for Threatened her with yeah

Robb (: 45:04

Insinuated.

Robb (: 45:10

Insinuated.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 45:16

beyond frustrated with this. I think that if I was in the situation that she was in, I'd want him dead. Like, let's look at how we could make this happen because she's never going to be able to live. And the torture that he put the kids through that she has to now watch and feel guilt towards because she trusted him in her world and because of it.

Robb (: 45:28

Yeah.

Now.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 45:45

this crappy stuff happened and she wasn't able to take care of her kids the way she, the way that she would have liked to. She had no idea, but she did things the right way. You're supposed to trust your mate. You're supposed to believe in the good. You're supposed to like look and say, yeah, he's a solid person and go with that, not find out years and years later that he's been manipulating her in the situation and life the whole time.

Robb (: 46:14

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 46:15

It's amazing.

Robb (: 46:17

I mean, look, I think, you know, that kind of topic is a whole other situation where, you know, finding out about your mate or you're right. Trust is a hard thing. And none of us know what we're getting into until we're in it. And some of it's a year in some of it's 10 years in and you don't you don't know the person you're with. I mean, we've seen it a million times where I mean, people have found out that their mates are serial killers.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 46:41

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 46:47

right so um i think in this case she needs to she needs to decide what she wants to do in life um because like i said if you take these letters where there's threatening talk or to that to someone you're opening up a bigger can because now he's

Tina Marie Garcia (: 46:50

Yeah.

Robb (: 47:14

making threats from prison and that's a whole other issue. Your family is against you the way it sounds even though there's probably some that are with her. It sounds like you can't say anything out loud. My thing is disappear but it's not that easy.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 47:20

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 47:32

And then who do you trust after that? Who took his side? Who took her side? You know, when she, when, when she came to me to do her hair, I, we didn't, she didn't really say, but I felt like she was kind of feeling me out to see like what side I had taken or what my beliefs were in that whole situation. And I basically told her, I said, dude, you know, like he's there, you're here. There that's.

That's all I need to know. You know, the line's been drawn. You know, there's no, there's no sticking up for somebody that did what he did. There's no sticking up for that. There's no way. And, and she's such a sweetheart. What's that? Say that again. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. He was found guilty. And then he, if I'm not mistaken, he had to have another trial because more came out. So,

Robb (: 48:04

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 48:09

Correct.

someone found him guilty.

I said someone found him guilty. Someone found him guilty. So.

Robb (: 48:29

Right.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 48:31

I don't know. I think we had to put this guy out in the in the woods and let the animals get to him. That's what I think.

Robb (: 48:39

Yeah, he needs to go on a slip and slide into a wood chipper.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 48:45

Yeah. Oh, that's a good one. I used to think that, yeah, that was a good one. I used to think that when people hurt children sexually, that they should be turned over to the family that they did what they did to and let them put the damn weenie in a vice, tighten it real tight, give them a plastic knife and then light the garage on fire and say, if you want out, cut it off. That's how

Robb (: 48:48

Yeah, you like that?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 49:16

You know, maybe that's a little barbaric for today, but I'm sorry, but if somebody did that to my kid, you bet your ass that's what I would be after.

Robb (: 49:19

Yeah.

Robb (: 49:24

Oh, I would do horrible things. Horrendous. They would find me in a garage with a soldering iron and hacking fingers off and cauterizing wounds and making sure. Yeah, I would go to prison for a long time, but my kid would know I cared.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 49:28

horrendous things.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 49:35

Ooh.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 49:46

And who is right and who is wrong in that situation? Because that's a whole nother. Now we're doing, we're being the perpetrator. We're, we're victimizing somebody. So where does it end? But at the same time.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 50:02

where is the support for the countless victims that have to put up with all the shit that they've had done to them? Whether it be the victims that were hurt in this situation or the wife that still has to put up with all of his bullshit. Because they're all victims if you ask me. They're all being hurt in ways that, you know, they shouldn't be.

Robb (: 50:22

Mm-hmm.

Robb (: 50:28

Yeah, and again, we're letting him manipulate people from a place he should have no contact with humans.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 50:29

sound.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 50:37

Mm-hmm. Agreed.

Agreed.

Robb (: 50:42

Alright, well, that's always a fun show. I hope things work out for her.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 50:44

Can you do?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 50:49

My rant went on way too long today.

Robb (: 50:53

Yeah, well, look, I hope things work out for her and things get into place. I really wish.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 50:54

I don't know.

Robb (: 51:04

I really wish that things could be better.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 51:10

Me too.

Robb (: 51:12

Yeah.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 51:13

Hopefully soon, hopefully soon tides will start to turn because they need to.

Robb (: 51:20

Yeah, I think I think, you know, some people deserve a break.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 51:20

They really do.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 51:27

Yes.

Robb (: 51:27

You know, I really hope she gets it. I don't know.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 51:31

Me too, me too, because she's a good person and she deserves it. And she didn't deserve any of this. And see, that's the thing that makes me mad, too, was now she doesn't trust herself. Now she doesn't know if she ever wants to be with a man again, because she doesn't know what the next one's going to be like. And she's and she's second guessing her own heart and her own, her own judgment and.

Robb (: 51:47

Mm-hmm.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 51:57

You know, she didn't have bad judgment. She just got caught up with somebody that was a big fucking liar.

Robb (: 52:03

Mm-hmm, exactly. Let's hope for the best. Any last words before we cut off for the week?

Tina Marie Garcia (: 52:11

No, just uh...

Tina Marie Garcia (: 52:15

I don't know what to say on that. I just... Just support the victims and not the perpetrators. I guess that would be a good thing to say. Cause if you're really, if you're really the type of person that you think you are in your heart, you would not support this kind of bullshit going on. And especially if it's your, if it's your family member.

Robb (: 52:39

Yep. I'll go with that. Make sure to check us out on the old social medias. The Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, YouTube music, Amazon, the Spotify and Apple until next week. It's opinion show. Don't get it twisted. Don't get mad at us. And we'll see in a week. Tina, as always, it's pleasure. We will talk to you later. Bye.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 52:42

So that's it. Okay.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 53:02

Get mad, I don't care.

Tina Marie Garcia (: 53:08

See ya!