Episode 94
EP #94 Religion: Is it really important anymore?
Welcome back to Dont get this Twisted
In this conversation, Robb and Tina discuss the importance of religion in modern society. They share personal experiences with religion and explore different perspectives on the topic. They also discuss the role of religion as a baseline for morality and the impact of belief in God on individuals. The conversation includes statistics on belief in God among different racial and political groups. They also touch on the concept of heaven and hell. The conversation explores the topics of heaven and hell, the importance of religion, the decline of morality, the need for faith, the power of prayer, and finding happiness in life.
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Transcript
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::[Robb]: Good times. Hey, and welcome to another
show of Don't Get This Twisted. I am Rob, along
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::[Robb]: with my co-host, as always, Tina. How
you doing, Tina?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I'm good today, Rob. Ready
to go.
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::[Robb]: Absolutely pleasant. You're having a
decent day. We've talked off before we got
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::[Robb]: on here, it was kind of humorous. We
were laughing about ostrich leather. So I think
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: there's a bazillion stories before the
show starts. It's almost funny, you know what
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::[Robb]: I mean?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Are you gonna
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::[Robb]: It's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: tell them about
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::[Robb]: no, no,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: ostrich
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::[Robb]: no, no,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: leather?
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::[Robb]: no, nah. And that's a joke, son, don't
you get it?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehehe
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::[Robb]: Yeah, no, we'll have to talk about that
another time. I think
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I'm
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::[Robb]: we
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::[Tina m Garcia]: gonna
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::[Robb]: should
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::[Tina m Garcia]: go to
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::[Robb]: probably
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::[Tina m Garcia]: bed.
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::[Robb]: do a show on that though, like on going
out and getting ready and the things that men
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::[Robb]: and women do on both sides to be ready
for a date. I think it's interesting, because
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::[Robb]: we both do something.
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::[Robb]: So make
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::[Tina m Garcia]: put
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::[Robb]: sure to
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::[Tina m Garcia]: it
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::[Robb]: check
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::[Tina m Garcia]: on
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::[Robb]: out
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::[Tina m Garcia]: the
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::[Robb]: our
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::[Tina m Garcia]: list.
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::[Robb]: socials, all that fun stuff, Facebook,
Instagram, so you know when the shows are coming
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::[Robb]: out. and Twitter and go and subscribe
to the show and share it with everyone, wherever
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::[Robb]: you listen to podcasts, Apple, Spotify,
Google, Amazon, I Heart Radio, and all that
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::[Robb]: fun stuff. Today, we're going to talk
controversial subjects or what some people
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::[Robb]: would think are controversial. We're
gonna talk religion
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mmm.
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::[Robb]: and the, I would say the, importance
of that in modern society. Although I know
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::[Robb]: that it's losing traction, at least
in the United States and parts of Europe. I
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::[Robb]: guess it's starting to diminish a bit.
Like in England, it's really, like it's only
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::[Robb]: like 40% of the people in England
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::[Tina m Garcia]: That's still a huge
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::[Robb]: practice
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::[Tina m Garcia]: percentage. What did it used
to be? Do you know what it was?
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::[Robb]: very high, very,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Really?
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::[Robb]: very, very high, yeah. So, I mean, matter
of fact, the separation of church and state
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::[Robb]: is because of that, because the king
and the pope and archbishops would rage war
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::[Robb]: on people because they would just say
God said to do it. So yeah, so I think that
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::[Robb]: there's definitely something to that,
but you know, I'm all up for the separation
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::[Robb]: of church and state. You have to. definitely
have those differences. But I think religion
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::[Robb]: in general, mostly Christianity, is
important because it keeps good people from
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::[Robb]: doing horrible shit because of eternity,
their belief in eternity. I think the world
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::[Robb]: without chaos would just be, or the
world without religion would just be total
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::[Robb]: chaos.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I get you.
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::[Robb]: Oh.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: They're definitely growing
up for me. It definitely kept me from doing
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::[Tina m Garcia]: things that I probably would
have done had I not had that guilt
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: implanted.
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::[Robb]: Sure.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: So I get the importance of
it. And it's a good foundation for like all
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::[Tina m Garcia]: people to kind of be on a similar
platform spiritually. You know what I mean?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: It's a tool. that kind of makes
the rules apply the same to everybody.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, look,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: or the baseline of it.
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::[Robb]: exactly. It's a baseline for morality.
I think that
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: people who are non-believers are using
the golden rule, which is pretty much the 10
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::[Robb]: commandments, right? It's don't do things
that you don't want done to you.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Pretty much,
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::[Robb]: So
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::[Tina m Garcia]: yeah.
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::[Robb]: I'm sure there would be arguments against
religion for several things, like... Muslim
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::[Robb]: when you start getting into maybe the
Islamic faith, where it's definitely a bit
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::[Robb]: different than modern Christianity with,
you know, how they, I would say, be more, a
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::[Robb]: little bit more control of women.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: But, you know, I mean, you can say same
things for religion here with maybe gay marriage.
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::[Robb]: I guess that would be some of the things.
But there, look, religion has worked for thousands
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::[Robb]: and thousands of years
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: where it's kept people within reason
without going bonkers and off the rail. So
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::[Robb]: to me, where I would say mostly early
in my life, where I would say I was super atheist,
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::[Robb]: I still had the morality of those same
things, right? Because
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: people in my life that raised me came
from the church. Like I went to church when
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::[Robb]: I went to my grandma's house in Iowa
all the time. They had a little church on the
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::[Robb]: hill. Every time I went and visited,
we went on Sundays.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: I remembered.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: My great-grandmother founded
a church.
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::[Robb]: Oh yeah, yeah, see.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I heard she was a big religious
zealot.
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::[Robb]: So to me, it's not a huge thing. I went
to Sunday school there because they would drop
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::[Robb]: the kids off in the morning and that
kind of thing. And then later, like when I
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::[Robb]: was 18, I dated somebody and her grandparents
owned a church. And I went there with her,
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::[Robb]: which was kind of an interesting thing
because she was a recluse and a wild, wild
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::[Robb]: one. And I remember going there with
her one time, and I forgot what they were talking
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::[Robb]: about, but something I definitely didn't
agree with. And she ended up falling asleep
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::[Robb]: on me.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehe
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::[Robb]: And I remember sitting in the back like,
you made me come here, and you're sleeping,
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::[Robb]: like wake up. But her mother was super
duper religious,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Extremely
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::[Robb]: extremely,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: religious.
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::[Robb]: but I think that also had to do with
her dad having a stroke early, you know, and
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::[Robb]: being her mom having to take care of
him. But it was,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: She needed strength.
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::[Robb]: yeah, I mean, it was, I'm sure it couldn't
have been easy on her mom.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: on any of them.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, so I mean, look, faith is a good
thing, like, to me. I understand the backbone
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::[Robb]: of it, and why I still think that it's
important for the planet, regardless of maybe
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::[Robb]: what religion you're part of, because
even the more extreme religions that you might
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::[Robb]: say, the base of those are still good,
right? The extreme of anything is not good.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: regardless. So to me I still find it
an interesting thing where
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::[Robb]: either one, the non-religious or the
non-believer or the believer always tries to
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::[Robb]: take the moral high ground.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: religious and believer, two
totally separate things though, too. Because
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I'm not religious, but I'm
definitely a believer. I don't go to church
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::[Tina m Garcia]: every week, but I pray every
day. And I give people advice based on what
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::[Tina m Garcia]: my beliefs are religiously,
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::[Robb]: Okay.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: not religiously, I guess I
would say more spiritually, on a daily.
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::[Robb]: No, but the backbone is still the Bible.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: the golden
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::[Robb]: So like,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: roll.
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::[Robb]: well, to me it's like that's religion
in general. This spiritual to me would be someone
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::[Robb]: who maybe believes, would be more agnostic
where they may believe in a supreme being but
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::[Robb]: don't follow the Bible. Like we all
follow the Bible per se because the Ten Commandments
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::[Robb]: have been around since
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Well, plus it's the way our
world is set up, you know, the way that our
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::[Tina m Garcia]: core beliefs start with that,
with the golden rule, with believing in God,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: having a faith, going to church.
You know, I think that...
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Even if you're not a believer,
our world is set up as such. That's, like I
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::[Tina m Garcia]: said, the baseline.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, don't do shit to people that you
don't want done to you. It's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: pretty basic. And like we've evolved
as people, obviously, since the cavemen and
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::[Robb]: then modern religion.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Not much.
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::[Robb]: Not much. I mean, we're like, common
sense doesn't exist. So who knows?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Right?
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::[Robb]: But I think the baseline of religion,
at least. And again, I'm kind of coming from
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::[Robb]: the backside in where I would be like,
I didn't believe, and I can't tell you for
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::[Robb]: sure what I believe now, I would say
I'm more agnostic, where I can't tell you yes
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::[Robb]: or no, but I've seen
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yes
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::[Robb]: things.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: or no to what?
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::[Robb]: That there's a God.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mmm.
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::[Robb]: But I will tell you that I have seen
things or felt things over the last couple
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::[Robb]: of years, like I would say about five
or six, about five years, where things that
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::[Robb]: just happened that just didn't seem.
I don't know, just things that shouldn't have
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::[Robb]: happened, happened in this very bizarre
order and with lots of different things
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: where things kind of fell into place.
So, you know, I just think, and I've listened
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::[Robb]: and watched to several church things
and look, I find it to be a good moral line.
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::[Robb]: And
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: I think that that's why it works, and
that's why it's always worked. Now, and again,
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::[Robb]: you can go along religions, whatever
they are, like Catholicism is the same book,
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::[Robb]: different way of looking at things.
So you have where you can go to confession,
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::[Robb]: and the priest
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Well, not
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::[Robb]: talks
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::[Tina m Garcia]: where
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::[Robb]: to
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you
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::[Robb]: God.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: could go, where you're supposed
to go to confession. The devout Catholics go
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to confession quite a bit,
and they do that so that they could take.
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::[Robb]: so they can go to heaven.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Like, no, it's so that they,
it's so that they get the offering of the body
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::[Tina m Garcia]: of Christ and the blood of
Christ. Like that's, you go to the altar for
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that, but you only go to the
altar if you're, your standing is right.
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::[Robb]: Right.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: And that means you got to go
confess all the shitty things that you do.
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::[Robb]: that you've done, right?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Well, do done.
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::[Robb]: Right, because you're supposed to go
all
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::[Tina m Garcia]: If
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::[Robb]: the
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you
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::[Robb]: time.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: stay on, if you stay on a regimen,
it's like, it's what you're doing. Right now,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: not what you've done 20 years
ago. You know, it's like, well, this time I
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::[Tina m Garcia]: did this, this, that, and this,
but it was different from last time where I
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::[Tina m Garcia]: did that, that, and that so.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, but you can confess shit from
20 years ago, as well
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::[Tina m Garcia]: You can,
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::[Robb]: as what
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you
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::[Robb]: you
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::[Tina m Garcia]: can.
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::[Robb]: did yesterday.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: But once you confess it, you
don't have to worry. Well, you have to pray
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::[Tina m Garcia]: for yourself and then you don't
have to worry about it. It's like
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::[Robb]: Right,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: the
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::[Robb]: you're
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::[Tina m Garcia]: slate's
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::[Robb]: clean of it.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: wiped clean, yeah.
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::[Robb]: Correct.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: So you don't have to go back
and do it over and over.
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::[Robb]: But I think that even in that, it's,
look, there's, we all do bad things, we all
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::[Robb]: sin, if you're gonna go from the standpoint
of,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Of the Ten Commandments,
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::[Robb]: yes,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: yes.
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::[Robb]: for sure, I mean, without a doubt,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: That's
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::[Robb]: we
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::[Tina m Garcia]: on
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::[Robb]: all
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::[Tina m Garcia]: a daily,
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::[Robb]: do it. Yeah,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: yeah.
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::[Robb]: I mean, and look, you can bunch a bunch
of the Ten Commandments together now, kind
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::[Robb]: of hold hands if you've never seen George
Carlin's comedy bit on the Ten Commandments,
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::[Robb]: and he breaks it down to just, I think,
I think the last one is just two. There's only
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::[Robb]: two commandments, and you have to see
it to see how he breaks them down, but like,
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::[Robb]: cover thy neighbor, and all these are
kind of going together. But I think that, look,
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::[Robb]: we all, like, don't kill people. It's
pretty basic. you know thing
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: and
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::[Tina m Garcia]: It's a
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::[Robb]: you know
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::[Tina m Garcia]: it's a it's a baseline
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::[Robb]: It's a baseline But they work those
things work and and to me That's why religion
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::[Robb]: is still something that I think is important
the lack of religion in this country or on
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::[Robb]: the planet Will turn to total chaos
people will have Absolutely no moral line and
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::[Robb]: we're getting there now like mostly
here the states have just turned into something
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::[Robb]: that's super bizarre. And I think that
there's a lack of that and a lack of belief.
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::[Robb]: I don't know what the statistics are,
but I'm gonna look them up while we're talking.
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::[Robb]: I wonder what
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::[Tina m Garcia]: You know
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::[Robb]: the...
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::[Tina m Garcia]: what I think? You know what
I think the problem is, is people don't have
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to be accountable anymore.
So you could act like an asshole and then it's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: okay because you were triggered
or you were, you were bothered. You know, you
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::[Tina m Garcia]: were something it's still put
back on the person that was victimized. Like,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: well, I did that because you
did this. And instead of saying, you know what,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I screwed up, I apologize,
and owning their shit, it's causing quite a
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::[Tina m Garcia]: problem here. And that, you
know, when, when I went to, when I was going
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to church all the time and
I went to several different churches, you had
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to be accountable for your
actions. That's what going to confession was
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::[Tina m Garcia]: for. So if you screwed up,
you apologized. People don't do that anymore.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: And they think that the reason
they don't do that is because they don't have
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to have accountability. They
didn't. They don't have a moral standing to
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::[Tina m Garcia]: start off with that's as high
as, say, mine was who went to Catholic school
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::[Tina m Garcia]: and did all that.
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::[Robb]: So I got a couple stats here. This is
Pew Research Center is where I'm checking these
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::[Robb]: out. Pewresearch.org. Here are the six
takeaways. This is basically key findings about
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::[Robb]: Americans' belief in God. It's kind
of interesting. So the vast majority of Americans,
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::[Robb]: 90%, believe in some kind of higher
power. 56% professing faith in God described
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::[Robb]: by the Bible. The other 33% saying they
believe in another type of higher power or
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::[Robb]: spiritual force. And one in 10 Americans
say they don't believe in God or a higher power
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::[Robb]: of any kind. So,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: One in ten. Hmm.
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::[Robb]: yeah.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I thought that would be higher.
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::[Robb]: So 56, 33, that's 89% or 90%. So 10%
of this country doesn't believe in a higher
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::[Robb]: power. I thought it would have been
a little higher than that, actually. Oh.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm, me too.
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::[Robb]: Hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I told you the story about
when I was five and I had my tonsils pulled
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::[Tina m Garcia]: out, didn't I? Did we talk
about that on the show?
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::[Robb]: I believe we did.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: So to me, I believe that there
definitely is a higher purpose, a higher power
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::[Tina m Garcia]: out there. This is definitely
a stepping stone from where we're to be going
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::[Tina m Garcia]: next. And I believe it because
I went through that. tragic, like what would
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you even call it? That event
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that they kind of, I wasn't
looking for it. At five years old, I don't
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::[Tina m Garcia]: think you're looking for God.
At five years old, I don't think you're looking
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::[Tina m Garcia]: for anything other than to
like go hang out and play with your friends.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: But when that happened to me,
I do believe that spiritually it changed me
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::[Tina m Garcia]: forever. And I had gone to
church and actively was going to church and
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::[Tina m Garcia]: yet it wasn't as profound as
what I went through. by any means.
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::[Robb]: No, exactly, I think people who find
God or have this major event in their life
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: is generally by people who aren't looking
for it.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: So,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: But
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::[Robb]: and
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::[Tina m Garcia]: it
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::[Robb]: most
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::[Tina m Garcia]: did,
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::[Robb]: of, uh-huh, I'll
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I'm sorry, but it
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::[Robb]: go.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: did put me on a course to seek
out different religions. I went to a synagogue
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::[Tina m Garcia]: with a few of my Jewish friends.
I went to a Buddhist temple, which I thought
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::[Tina m Garcia]: was phenomenal. My favorite
church that I went to was Baptist, and I was
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::[Tina m Garcia]: the only white person in it.
And the way that they get animated and throw
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::[Tina m Garcia]: themselves around and praise
Jesus and then all the good food they eat and
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::[Tina m Garcia]: everything like that, that
to me felt most like home. Like most, like
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::[Tina m Garcia]: the people were just... happy
to be where they were at that moment and to
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::[Tina m Garcia]: be rejoicing in their beliefs.
I truly loved that, but I felt as out of places
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I possibly could have there.
So
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::[Robb]: Right.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: it did. It forced me to look
for religion, spirituality, be a Native American
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::[Tina m Garcia]: too. your beliefs are so different
and you're taught so differently. And, and
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::[Tina m Garcia]: so I was always like on a quest
to find where I fit in. Not to, not that I
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::[Tina m Garcia]: didn't believe in God because
I totally believe in God, got that down, but
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::[Tina m Garcia]: like where, where did I feel
the most comfortable?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to be able to pray or to be
able to take that time. And I still haven't
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::[Tina m Garcia]: found it. Like I find that
my favorite time to talk to God, last year
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::[Tina m Garcia]: was on a raft in the pool.
There was no church around. You know, there's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: just.
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::[Robb]: Right, I mean, I think that that's part
of the whole thing anyway.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: I had someone tell me one time that
you're not a real Christian unless you go to
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::[Robb]: church.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: And I was like, well, I mean, isn't
the whole point of belief in God being able
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::[Robb]: to pray and talk to him whenever? And
this
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::[Tina m Garcia]: and
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::[Robb]: guy
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::[Tina m Garcia]: isn't
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::[Robb]: was
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::[Tina m Garcia]: he
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::[Robb]: like,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: everywhere?
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::[Robb]: but this person was like, no, because
the Bible says
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
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::[Robb]: that you have to go to church. I was
like, okay, well. to me, that's craziness.
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::[Robb]: I just think that if you believe in
a supreme being or a higher power or whatever
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::[Robb]: God you choose in, because
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::[Robb]: I don't wanna get down to arguing which
God's real because I think that,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah, please don't.
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::[Robb]: because I just think that, look, if
there is a supreme being, it's all the same.
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::[Robb]: I think that's crazy. to me, and maybe
it's just how people have interpreted this
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::[Robb]: God for thousands and thousands and
thousands of years.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: You know, I was told once that
the reason that there are so many different
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::[Tina m Garcia]: religions and beliefs that
basically all go to the one source, it's the
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::[Tina m Garcia]: creator, right? Whoever, whomever
is up there, whatever energy that is, but they
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::[Tina m Garcia]: have different, there's different
religions and there's different ways of thinking
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::[Tina m Garcia]: to accommodate everybody. That
not, you know, nobody learns the same as the
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::[Tina m Garcia]: person sitting next to them.
So they have, or in religion, it's, it, there's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: different. uh, religions and
different thinking to accommodate those people
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::[Tina m Garcia]: so that they all get to the
source, which is the Supreme being.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: And I liked, I liked being
told that because I, I do feel everybody feels
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::[Tina m Garcia]: so different about religion.
Even my friends and I are so, we're
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::[Robb]: Sure,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: completely different.
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::[Robb]: well, and I think
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::[Tina m Garcia]: And
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::[Robb]: that some religions alienate, right?
So if you're Jewish, Muslim, and then you can
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::[Robb]: get into the subsets of Christianity
where you have, you know, or Catholicism, where
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::[Robb]: you have Baptist, and there's so many
of these subsets that, you know, at the
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Even
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::[Robb]: end,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: in the church,
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::[Robb]: there's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: like
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you, you can't have the body
of Christ or the blood of Christ if you haven't
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::[Tina m Garcia]: gotten your communion and your,
um, confession and gone through all the schooling
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::[Tina m Garcia]: and stuff.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: So it's even alienating at
the church from the get, you know,
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::[Robb]: Yeah,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: it's either
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::[Robb]: inside
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you're this
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::[Robb]: their
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::[Tina m Garcia]: way
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::[Robb]: own.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: or you're that way, you know.
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::[Robb]: Well, the whole thing is like being
baptized, right?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yes,
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::[Robb]: Yeah.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that's the first sacrament.
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::[Robb]: I was baptized.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Where are you?
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::[Robb]: Of
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I
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::[Robb]: course,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: was too.
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::[Robb]: yeah. So here's a couple more stats
that might give us a couple things. About half,
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::[Robb]: 48% of US adults believe in God, oh
believe God determines what happens to them.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Only 50%? Okay.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm. Younger adults, those under
the age of 50, are less likely to, let's see,
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::[Robb]: are less inclined than older Americans
to believe in a biblical God, and more likely
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::[Robb]: to say that they don't believe in God
or any higher power. So, let's see, roughly
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::[Robb]: two thirds of older adults. Let's see.
Those in their 30s and 40s, they say 43%.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Don't believe.
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::[Robb]: Don't believe yeah Eight and ten of
those ages eighteen to twenty Twenty-nine say
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::[Robb]: they don't believe at all Eight and
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::[Tina m Garcia]: You
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::[Robb]: ten
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::[Tina m Garcia]: know, I remember when you told
me that you were atheist. I felt bad for you.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I remember this specifically.
I don't know why I do, but I remember this.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I felt bad because where do
you find faith, like having faith that everything
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::[Tina m Garcia]: will be okay, or hope that
it can be? Like if you don't believe in a higher
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::[Tina m Garcia]: power that you could turn to,
where do you find that? And I found... at a
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::[Tina m Garcia]: very early age that I felt
sorry for people that didn't have that kind
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::[Tina m Garcia]: of core belief because there
have been times in my life where I couldn't
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::[Tina m Garcia]: believe in anybody and didn't
believe in anybody and didn't feel like I had
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::[Tina m Garcia]: any, it was just a bad situation,
like I didn't have any hope in it, but I could
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::[Tina m Garcia]: always pray and say, all right,
God, like, I don't know how we're going to
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::[Tina m Garcia]: pull this out, but can you
help me with this? You know, and to me, I found
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::[Tina m Garcia]: peace in that.
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::[Robb]: Sure.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: But people that are atheists,
like, where do you find the peace if in those
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::[Tina m Garcia]: situations?
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::[Robb]: I think within yourself, you just go,
look, things are gonna be all right. I get
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::[Robb]: what you're saying, I just think that
it's, you look more to within than on the outside.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: I had a friend one time who, years and
years, years ago, when I met her, very religious
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::[Robb]: person, me being atheist, and she had
told me kind of the same thing. She's like,
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::[Robb]: you know, you were nice and this and
that. She goes, but I didn't, I didn't hold
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::[Robb]: it against you that you didn't believe
in God,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: That was kinda how I felt too.
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::[Robb]: which, which I thought was really funny.
And I'm still friends with her. And during
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::[Robb]: this she'll send me like, um, memes
or videos, or we talk about this one guy that
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::[Robb]: we listened to. Uh, and now we're, at
least we can talk about that on a totally different
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::[Robb]: level because Again, not that I can
tell you that I believe in the biblical God,
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::[Robb]: but I definitely have seen things that
have changed my mind on a lot of different
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::[Robb]: things.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Robb]: So for us, it's like we'll throw things
back at each other now, but I kind of laughed
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::[Robb]: when she told me that. I was like, wow.
She's like, yeah, I didn't, you know, you were
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::[Robb]: just a good guy and we could talk. And
when we get together, we have really good conversations.
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::[Robb]: So we've always been able to talk to
each other. But I thought it was kind of humorous
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::[Robb]: that she kind of threw that out there
like, yeah, I didn't hold it against you. I
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::[Robb]: was like, oh, well, that's, I'm glad
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I kind
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::[Robb]: you didn't.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: of felt the same way.
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::[Robb]: Yeah,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I
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::[Robb]: I'm
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::[Tina m Garcia]: kind
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::[Robb]: glad
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::[Tina m Garcia]: of felt
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::[Robb]: everyone.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: bad for you because
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::[Robb]: Yeah.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: we're, you know, that not having
that, that place to go to, to feel like you're
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::[Tina m Garcia]: supported. It's, it's got to
be a lonely place to, if I had to always just
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::[Tina m Garcia]: rely on myself, although I've
always gotten myself out of shit, I still would
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::[Tina m Garcia]: be, I don't think I'd have
the strength
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::[Robb]: Right,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that I
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::[Robb]: right.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: really did need that.
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::[Robb]: No, I understand leaning on that, because
when shit is bad,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: It's bad.
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::[Robb]: it's bad, and I think there's something
to that. So here's another one for you. Americans
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::[Robb]: with a high school education or less
are more likely than college graduates to believe
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::[Robb]: in God or a higher power.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Believe that.
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::[Robb]: Well, I just think that the college
system is full of nonsense anyway.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: what
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::[Robb]: I would
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::[Tina m Garcia]: they're
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::[Robb]: tell.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: teaching is not religious based
by any means.
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::[Robb]: Oh, that's putting it lightly, Tina.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,
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::[Robb]: Well,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: yeah, right, by
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::[Robb]: I would say
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::[Tina m Garcia]: any
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::[Robb]: the
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::[Tina m Garcia]: means.
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::[Robb]: liberal agenda definitely will, well,
because the belief systems are just different.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm
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::[Robb]: The liberal agenda generally will have
people where it doesn't matter what you do
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::[Robb]: and you have no recourse or no. There's
just do whatever the fuck you want and I think
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::[Robb]: that that's where religion does help
where it's like you can't just do Whatever
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::[Robb]: you want there's gotta be something
there. So I thought that was kind of interesting.
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::[Robb]: Let's see what is this one. Oh, here
you go. Here's the last one on here, which
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::[Robb]: is kind of what we're talking. Republicans
and Democrats have a very different belief
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::[Robb]: about God. Let's see, Democrats are
those who lean toward the Democratic Party
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::[Robb]: are less likely to say they believe
in God or the Bible. And Republicans, or Republican
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::[Robb]: leaners. So it's 45% to 70. Democrats
are
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Didn't
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::[Robb]: more
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that
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::[Robb]: likely.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: used to be kind of opposite?
No.
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::[Robb]: Well, I think that...
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::[Robb]: Democrats would be. in the past were
less likely to say, they would fight for your
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::[Robb]: rights, which now I think they just
wanna take them more. Republicans
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I think they all
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::[Robb]: lean?
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::[Tina m Garcia]: want to take them for sure.
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::[Robb]: Yeah, I mean, I think deep down probably,
only because I think that absolute power is,
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::[Robb]: they have to take everything from you.
But I would say that I mean, you look at mostly
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::[Robb]: these days with freedom of speech and
again, like anything that's in the constitution
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::[Robb]: is definitely more Republican based
or they're more constitutionalist. So which
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::[Robb]: generally lean more to godly things
because they want to keep people from doing
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::[Robb]: horrible shit. So I think it's kind
of a it's kind of a weird thing. I mean, obviously,
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::[Robb]: most most of the people that I know
who are are Democrats or lean that direction
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::[Robb]: are definitely not very religious. But
then you can
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::[Tina m Garcia]: and get
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::[Robb]: go down
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::[Tina m Garcia]: you.
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::[Robb]: to race as well. I'm sure that there's
race statistics on
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I'm sure of that, yeah.
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::[Robb]: who believes and who doesn't. Because
obviously the Hispanic population is very in
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::[Robb]: with the Catholic Church.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm and Christian churches
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::[Robb]: Yeah, but I mean, generally it's a lot
of Catholicism. And then you look at the black
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::[Robb]: community with, tons of churches in
the south. So I would, I wonder what that is
526
::[Robb]: by race. I wonder if there's any kind
of statistics on that.
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::[Robb]: Because I would say, I bet you that
it's, oh, here we go. You gotta love, you gotta
528
::[Robb]: love the interwebs. So this is the same
one, Pew Research. So believe in God by race.
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::[Robb]: Believe in God. Absolutely. So white
folk, 61%. That,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that believe in God. This is
531
::[Robb]: that,
532
::[Tina m Garcia]: not church people, this
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::[Robb]: that,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: is...
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::[Robb]: yeah, this is just,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.
537
::[Robb]: this is belief in God by race.
538
::[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.
539
::[Robb]: So believe in God, certainly 61%. Believe
in God fairly is about 20%. Believe in God.
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::[Robb]: Let's see, not to or not at all certain
is about 5%. Let's see, what percentage is
541
::[Robb]: this? 1% say they don't know, 11% don't.
And then what is this one? Believe in another
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::[Robb]: god, 3%, which is
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::[Tina m Garcia]: What
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::[Robb]: kind
545
::[Tina m Garcia]: is
546
::[Robb]: of,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: another god?
548
::[Robb]: Allah.
549
::[Robb]: or... or... Zeus.
550
::[Tina m Garcia]: Okay.
551
::[Robb]: or Odin, you know, because there's still
people that do that. Let's see mixed, mixed
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::[Robb]: or other, believe in God, absolutely
66%. So
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mixed?
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::[Robb]: I think that mixed, that would
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mixed
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::[Robb]: be white,
557
::[Tina m Garcia]: what?
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::[Robb]: white and something else, I'm assuming,
or black
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::[Tina m Garcia]: So like me.
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::[Robb]: and something else, or yeah, like you.
Latino, 59% are certain.
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::[Robb]: Black, 83% are certain. Absolutely certain.
That's a fucking huge percentage. And Asian,
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::[Robb]: 44%, absolutely certain. Now here's
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.
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::[Robb]: the do not believe. There's a lot of
middle ground, but let's go
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
566
::[Robb]: to the ones that are just like do not
believe at all. White people, 11. Other are
567
::[Robb]: mixed, eight. Latino, six. Let's see
what this one is. Do not believe in God, black
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::[Robb]: people, 2%.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm
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::[Robb]: and Asian 19%. So.
571
::[Tina m Garcia]: I find that interesting because
we were talking in another show about the black
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::[Tina m Garcia]: population not having fathers
there.
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::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: So there's a breakdown of a
family there. But as far as beliefs in God,
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::[Robb]: Yeah,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: it's
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::[Robb]: but
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::[Tina m Garcia]: very
579
::[Robb]: faith,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: high.
581
::[Robb]: it's very high.
582
::[Tina m Garcia]: Faith is high. Yeah.
583
::[Robb]: Now these sample sizes, I have to say
those as well, because I think that's to be
584
::[Robb]: fair. So the people polled, white people
were 25,000, blacks were 3,500, Asians 1,000,
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::[Robb]: Latino 3,800, and other
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::[Tina m Garcia]: that changes
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::[Robb]: mixed 1,500.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: things, it would be nice if
they did a cross section of
589
::[Robb]: Yeah,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: the same
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::[Robb]: I mean,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: amount of
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::[Robb]: those
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::[Tina m Garcia]: people.
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::[Robb]: are still pretty large numbers though,
thousands
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
597
::[Robb]: of people. I still think that's a pretty
good sample size though.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: It
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::[Robb]: I mean,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: is.
601
::[Robb]: when you ask 3000 different people and
get these answers, and it's still 83% are absolutely
602
::[Robb]: certain for blacks, that's pretty high
out
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
604
::[Robb]: of the sample size. And the... do not
believe in God is, you know, the highest is
605
::[Robb]: Asian, followed by us white folk. So
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Hmm.
607
::[Robb]: the belief in God in the minority community
is very high, very high. So maybe it's not
608
::[Robb]: slipping, you know, here as much in
the states as I thought, which I think,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I don't
610
::[Robb]: again,
611
::[Tina m Garcia]: know.
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::[Robb]: is
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Does
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::[Robb]: kind
615
::[Tina m Garcia]: it,
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::[Robb]: of a good thing.
617
::[Tina m Garcia]: I don't know that it's something
that could just slip all of a sudden. Cause
618
::[Tina m Garcia]: if it's put into you at a very
early age, it stays with you forever.
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::[Robb]: Generally, I agree.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
621
::[Robb]: I
622
::[Tina m Garcia]: Even
623
::[Robb]: think
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::[Tina m Garcia]: if you
625
::[Robb]: that...
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::[Tina m Garcia]: don't believe in it, it still
stays there. Like
627
::[Robb]: Yes,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: your core beliefs
629
::[Robb]: the
630
::[Tina m Garcia]: are set in stone.
631
::[Robb]: thought of those, correct. I definitely
agree with that. I think that, again, you're
632
::[Robb]: right. Even if you don't believe in
the biblical text per se, the moral line generally
633
::[Robb]: rides there because your parents are
still going to say things to you because they're
634
::[Robb]: gonna be generally more religious. If
we go by those statistics, the older generations
635
::[Robb]: are more religious. You've been being
told these things your whole life. So I think
636
::[Robb]: there's something to that that, yes,
you're getting these morals from your grandparents
637
::[Robb]: and your parents. And they're continuously
telling you don't do this shit because you're
638
::[Robb]: going to go to hell.
639
::[Tina m Garcia]: I got told that all the time.
640
::[Robb]: Yeah
641
::[Tina m Garcia]: Don't do that. Don't do that.
Don't do that.
642
::[Robb]: And it makes sense. Look, my argument
about religion is, can it be bad? Of course
643
::[Robb]: it can.
644
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yes.
645
::[Robb]: Because anything can be twisted to be
bad, anything.
646
::[Robb]: You can twist being a vegetarian, I'm
sure, to be bad, or this or that or the other
647
::[Robb]: thing. So yes,
648
::[Tina m Garcia]: But
649
::[Robb]: there's
650
::[Tina m Garcia]: that's
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::[Robb]: bad
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::[Tina m Garcia]: more of
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::[Robb]: parts
654
::[Tina m Garcia]: the hypocrisy
655
::[Robb]: of that.
656
::[Tina m Garcia]: of what it brings about other
than the religion itself.
657
::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
658
::[Tina m Garcia]: Like if you put people in anything,
they're going to screw it up. So you put people
659
::[Tina m Garcia]: in a church, yeah, the word
of God is going to be way different than it
660
::[Tina m Garcia]: would be if you were sitting
by yourself reading it and making your own
661
::[Tina m Garcia]: translations and, you know,
using your own brain. But when you got other
662
::[Tina m Garcia]: people and they're on their
own agenda, because again, nobody's perfect
663
::[Tina m Garcia]: but they
664
::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
665
::[Tina m Garcia]: don't want to look bad. They'll
screw a lot of shit up.
666
::[Robb]: Yeah, it's twisting the message.
667
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah, oh absolutely.
668
::[Robb]: Yeah, so I definitely think there's
good and bad, but I am still a believer that
669
::[Robb]: it's predominantly still good.
670
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
671
::[Robb]: only because you're keeping people from
just doing horrible shit with
672
::[Tina m Garcia]: For
673
::[Robb]: absolute...
674
::[Tina m Garcia]: me, it
675
::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
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::[Tina m Garcia]: definitely did.
677
::[Robb]: Well,
678
::[Tina m Garcia]: Knowing.
679
::[Robb]: yeah, and I mean just in general, like
all over the whole planet. It's this moral
680
::[Robb]: line that says, hey, don't go out and
rape and don't go out and kill and don't go
681
::[Robb]: out and do this because you don't want
it to happen to you. You don't want to go to
682
::[Robb]: this fiery damnation because that's,
you know, the eternity of hell is enough to,
683
::[Robb]: even if you're not a believer per se,
the thought of that is absolutely horrible.
684
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
685
::[Robb]: Now, if you believe
686
::[Tina m Garcia]: It's like
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::[Robb]: that the
688
::[Tina m Garcia]: the
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::[Robb]: lights,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: worst of the worst. That's
691
::[Robb]: yeah,
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::[Tina m Garcia]: why.
693
::[Robb]: if you believe that the lights just
turn off, then there's no, there's no changing
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::[Robb]: that person. But the thought of like,
or what is the afterlife? Like, where do we
695
::[Robb]: go? What is it? What is your soul? Is
there a soul? Like, there's so many questions
696
::[Robb]: to be asked, but the only answer is
the end, right? So you don't find out until
697
::[Robb]: then. And I think that's what also keeps
people in line. It keeps you from... Just going,
698
::[Robb]: because what if there is? What if there
is this eternal place? And what if there is
699
::[Robb]: damnation? And what if there is this?
Yeah, what if there is? That's going to be
700
::[Robb]: the rest of your eternity getting poked
in the ass by the devil. You know what I mean?
701
::[Tina m Garcia]: With no lube.
702
::[Robb]: Yeah, or this great place where you
get to see all your relatives that have passed.
703
::[Robb]: Sounds
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::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
705
::[Robb]: like a pretty cool place. You know what
I mean?
706
::[Tina m Garcia]: if you want to see all your
relatives.
707
::[Robb]: Well, yes. I mean, you're, you're hoping
that if they go through these pearly gates,
708
::[Robb]: that, that their souls are cleansed
and they've, they don't have to worry about
709
::[Robb]: the pressures of modern society or modern
living. You know, you're,
710
::[Tina m Garcia]: right?
711
::[Robb]: you're, it's the best thing. Everyone
gets to walk by the lake and play with dogs
712
::[Robb]: and not have allergies and, and, you
know, and your hips don't hurt anymore. And
713
::[Robb]: If you're gonna go down that line, yeah,
fuck, I hope there's a heaven. Because it
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::[Tina m Garcia]: I
715
::[Robb]: sounds
716
::[Tina m Garcia]: agree.
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::[Robb]: like a pretty dang cool place. You get
to go and meet everyone that's ever existed.
718
::[Robb]: As long as they're there, pretty
719
::[Tina m Garcia]: they're
720
::[Robb]: cool.
721
::[Tina m Garcia]: not when they're there they're
not anyone that's the crazy thing like there's
722
::[Tina m Garcia]: no bodies there you know from
when I was there there are no bodies there
723
::[Tina m Garcia]: but
724
::[Robb]: No,
725
::[Tina m Garcia]: there's
726
::[Robb]: but.
727
::[Tina m Garcia]: like energy vessels maybe I
don't know if vessels is the right word but
728
::[Tina m Garcia]: like there's
729
::[Robb]: Maybe it is what you think it is.
730
::[Tina m Garcia]: There's that.
731
::[Robb]: You know?
732
::[Tina m Garcia]: I like that one actually. I've
heard a lot of different ones, but I'm like,
733
::[Tina m Garcia]: well, wait, maybe it's just
however we think it is. Like
734
::[Robb]: Yeah,
735
::[Tina m Garcia]: we
736
::[Robb]: sure.
737
::[Tina m Garcia]: create our own heaven and hell.
And so I always think that it's going to be
738
::[Tina m Garcia]: everything I want it to be.
And then some so that I don't have to, I
739
::[Robb]: Sure,
740
::[Tina m Garcia]: don't want to
741
::[Robb]: right,
742
::[Tina m Garcia]: limit myself in that.
743
::[Robb]: right, right. Yeah, I mean, I hope it's
just not a bunch of clouds with people with
744
::[Robb]: harps. That wouldn't
745
::[Tina m Garcia]: That would be kind
746
::[Robb]: be,
747
::[Tina m Garcia]: of boring.
748
::[Robb]: yeah. I think maybe that is, if there
is a heaven and however you see it is how you,
749
::[Robb]: that's your heaven. So maybe it is where
it's just long groves of green grass and water
750
::[Robb]: and every person ever just. walking
around and you get to meet whoever you want.
751
::[Robb]: Who knows, but to me that would be heaven.
You get to be around all your friends and loved
752
::[Robb]: ones who passed away and get to meet
Abraham Lincoln. This cool, that would be heaven.
753
::[Robb]: And obviously if there's a hell, man,
my version of hell would probably be really
754
::[Robb]: bad.
755
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah, I don't want to think
as dark as you do. But
756
::[Robb]: Now.
757
::[Tina m Garcia]: I've known that forever.
758
::[Robb]: But I think
759
::[Tina m Garcia]: You can take it there.
760
::[Robb]: if there is a place to punish people.
You know, there's just, and there's been bad
761
::[Robb]: people here. Jeffrey Dahmer
762
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
763
::[Robb]: does not deserve to walk in the pearly
gates. He deserves to get unlooped by Satan.
764
::[Tina m Garcia]: Well here's the thing though,
with certain religions all he has to do is
765
::[Tina m Garcia]: apologize to God. And he's
cool again. He'll be there.
766
::[Robb]: That's true, but you would think, at
least in my vision, even God would have to
767
::[Robb]: send the defective to the devil. Some
768
::[Tina m Garcia]: He
769
::[Robb]: people
770
::[Tina m Garcia]: should have
771
::[Robb]: don't.
772
::[Tina m Garcia]: did that before they even came
here. Like...
773
::[Robb]: Yeah,
774
::[Tina m Garcia]: Hahaha
775
::[Robb]: but then there's the, you know, that
God puts the people on the planet and gives
776
::[Robb]: them free will. That's why He told you
not to sin. He gave you the
777
::[Tina m Garcia]: You
778
::[Robb]: directions.
779
::[Tina m Garcia]: told ya, you told ya not to
do it.
780
::[Robb]: He gave
781
::[Tina m Garcia]: My
782
::[Robb]: you
783
::[Tina m Garcia]: dad
784
::[Robb]: the directions.
785
::[Tina m Garcia]: used to tell me not to do it,
I don't think I ever listened to him.
786
::[Robb]: Yeah, you know, He gave you the directions
and if you do it, it's on you. He gave you
787
::[Robb]: the free will and choice to not do those
things. So look, you know... Prayer is a powerful
788
::[Robb]: thing, I think,
789
::[Tina m Garcia]: For sure.
790
::[Robb]: and can change your views on life and
things and push you in different directions.
791
::[Robb]: Look, when things are shitty, there's
nothing wrong with asking for a little help.
792
::[Robb]: You know
793
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
794
::[Robb]: what I mean?
795
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
796
::[Robb]: And maybe just the belief in God can
get you through.
797
::[Tina m Garcia]: It has me
798
::[Robb]: And to me,
799
::[Tina m Garcia]: so
800
::[Robb]: I think
801
::[Tina m Garcia]: many times.
802
::[Robb]: those are the important things about
religion.
803
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
804
::[Robb]: That it can get you through shitty times,
push you and know that you're gonna be okay.
805
::[Robb]: So I think that it is still a very important
thing in our society. That
806
::[Tina m Garcia]: Absolutely.
807
::[Robb]: I think we have lost it here in the
United States, for sure. there's a lack of
808
::[Robb]: moral ground, let's say. And without
getting too deep into what we think those moral
809
::[Robb]: dilemmas are in modern society, those
are for other shows I'm sure we can talk about.
810
::[Robb]: But I'm sure you can read between the
lines, watch TV, look what's being pushed,
811
::[Robb]: look at modern society. It's definitely
a little godless, I would say. and coming from
812
::[Robb]: someone who is that you know and how
I thought, it's a scary place for sure. And
813
::[Robb]: I think that, and I'm not saying that
we all need to run out to Bible study or church,
814
::[Robb]: but I think that we need to step back
and look at morally where are you at, where
815
::[Robb]: do you stand. And what do you want your
next generation of people to live
816
::[Tina m Garcia]: and
817
::[Robb]: by?
818
::[Tina m Garcia]: have some higher standards,
like just for yourself in general.
819
::[Robb]: Yeah, you know, and you know, I love
when people, they'll argue the fact of like
820
::[Robb]: marriage and that's, I've heard someone
talk about that it was just the church, you
821
::[Robb]: know, locking people in and blah, blah,
blah. And I was like, look, marriage or that
822
::[Robb]: kind of thing was around far before
religion, you know, that being in some kind
823
::[Robb]: of family unit. I just think that the
religion helped that along. The family unit's
824
::[Robb]: important, and I think if we can keep
that together through religion, awesome. Because
825
::[Robb]: that's a huge problem, I think, here.
There is no push for the family unit or having
826
::[Robb]: any kind of...
827
::[Robb]: push for keeping families together.
Maybe that's the thing. It's just too easy
828
::[Robb]: to be independent now. People say, I
don't need this. I'll just find the next person
829
::[Robb]: or go this way. Sometimes you have to
look deep and realize that the moral system
830
::[Robb]: that has been put in place for thousands
of years. worked well for thousands of years.
831
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
832
::[Robb]: Maybe we should step back and try to
use that as a guide again.
833
::[Tina m Garcia]: I'm with you on that.
834
::[Robb]: because it's a rough place out there.
Maybe we should, you know, maybe a prayer is
835
::[Robb]: what we all need every blue moon, just
to realize.
836
::[Tina m Garcia]: I pray a lot and I do not push,
I think you know that I don't push religion
837
::[Tina m Garcia]: and
838
::[Robb]: Mm-mm.
839
::[Tina m Garcia]: none of that. I don't want
to talk about it. Even when I went to beauty
840
::[Tina m Garcia]: school, the first, the first
chapter was you do not talk about these two
841
::[Tina m Garcia]: things and it's religion and
politics. And this is why, and there was a
842
::[Tina m Garcia]: test on it. I took a test
843
::[Robb]: Mm-hmm.
844
::[Tina m Garcia]: on what not to say in beauty
school. So I really keep that stuff to myself,
845
::[Tina m Garcia]: but I do believe that. that
if we have a baseline of morals and values
846
::[Tina m Garcia]: that we all could follow, it
would start to change the way our world is
847
::[Tina m Garcia]: going right now. And it's kind
of a scary place. Like, it's got to the point
848
::[Tina m Garcia]: where I won't even watch TV
because everything on it's so scary. Everything
849
::[Tina m Garcia]: on it, everything about it
has repercussions that are far beyond anything
850
::[Tina m Garcia]: that my brain right now even
wants to look at. So if we don't start to get
851
::[Tina m Garcia]: back to some sort of moral
ground.
852
::[Tina m Garcia]: I don't want to know how we're
going to be living.
853
::[Robb]: Yeah, I agree. I think that the other
thing to me is... I think we all need to stop
854
::[Robb]: judging. If you wanna say, hey, this
is what I believe, cool. It's awesome, and
855
::[Robb]: I think that you should. I think people
who use the word of God now get crapped on
856
::[Robb]: way too much. Now it's just like, oh,
you're gonna bring that up. It's like, well,
857
::[Robb]: look, again, it's worked for 1,000 years.
Let's not get too crazy about it.
858
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
859
::[Robb]: And I agree with you. The moral ground
needs to be brought up a little bit more.
860
::[Tina m Garcia]: When I was in Catholic school,
uh, CCD, we were taught that we were supposed
861
::[Tina m Garcia]: to rejoice in the name of,
of God and everything and like to say it and
862
::[Tina m Garcia]: be proud in everything. And
that didn't work in my world. Like nobody wanted
863
::[Tina m Garcia]: to hear anything about it.
And nor did I want to take my personal relationship
864
::[Tina m Garcia]: with God and turn it into something
for everybody to talk shit about. So, so I
865
::[Tina m Garcia]: didn't go that route. But I
do know that when somebody is really struggling
866
::[Tina m Garcia]: within themselves with something,
and I've said what I could say and I've been
867
::[Tina m Garcia]: there, I will hold their hand
and say, you want me to pray with you? I'm
868
::[Tina m Garcia]: not a prayer. I don't bring
that, I mean, you know me. I don't bring this
869
::[Tina m Garcia]: stuff up, but there are times
when I don't know what to say and I don't know
870
::[Tina m Garcia]: how to help and I don't know
what to do, but to have faith enough to show
871
::[Tina m Garcia]: somebody that it'll be okay.
I think we all should be doing that,
872
::[Robb]: I... I agree.
873
::[Tina m Garcia]: that you're not lost.
874
::[Robb]: Look, you have to do it, I think.
875
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
876
::[Robb]: I think that's, because some people
need to be reminded that everything are gonna
877
::[Robb]: be okay, and if your faith brings you
that, more power to you. It's important.
878
::[Tina m Garcia]: it stops the anxiety too. Like
it really does. Like I feel sometimes that
879
::[Tina m Garcia]: I get so anxious in worrying
about what is going on. That if I give it away,
880
::[Tina m Garcia]: if I just say what's bothering
me, it kind of releases that energy to where
881
::[Tina m Garcia]: I could function again and
not be like completely stressed out.
882
::[Robb]: For sure, no, I agree with it. And again,
sometimes, look, sometimes you gotta ask for
883
::[Robb]: something. And when there's no one else
listening, there's nothing wrong with looking
884
::[Robb]: up and saying, hey, if you could help
me out just a little bit, I'll stop doing this,
885
::[Robb]: or I'll stop doing
886
::[Tina m Garcia]: I don't
887
::[Robb]: that.
888
::[Tina m Garcia]: say that either. God knows.
I'm
889
::[Robb]: Yeah, well, that's very true, yeah,
I guess. He already knows you're not giving
890
::[Robb]: that up, so.
891
::[Tina m Garcia]: like, come on, you know I'm
trying here. Can we just do that?
892
::[Robb]: Yeah, exactly.
893
::[Tina m Garcia]: I really need you.
894
::[Robb]: Right, right. Well, like that's, again,
I think it's important. So
895
::[Tina m Garcia]: It
896
::[Robb]: for
897
::[Tina m Garcia]: is.
898
::[Robb]: those who are complete atheists, I think
there's more to life than that. There's
899
::[Tina m Garcia]: There
900
::[Robb]: other
901
::[Tina m Garcia]: is.
902
::[Robb]: things out there that can help you along
your way. And for
903
::[Tina m Garcia]: You
904
::[Robb]: those
905
::[Tina m Garcia]: know that's...
906
::[Robb]: who are utterly religious, if... If
the people around you don't want to hear it,
907
::[Robb]: just make sure you're giving it to the
people who do.
908
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah. And there's what we're
given on this earth is infinite. So we could,
909
::[Tina m Garcia]: we can move in that direction
and not limit ourselves, or we could totally
910
::[Tina m Garcia]: stay in our lane and limit
and be just fine, like, cause I think it's
911
::[Tina m Garcia]: up to the individual person,
but I'm not about limits these days. So
912
::[Robb]: No, no. And I think, you know, like
it's, it's, we've talked about it a bazillion
913
::[Robb]: times. It's a short life.
914
::[Tina m Garcia]: Mm-hmm.
915
::[Robb]: You got to find the things that make
you happy and swoop them up and, and enjoy
916
::[Robb]: every last minute of it because they
go away.
917
::[Tina m Garcia]: Don't apologize for it either.
918
::[Robb]: No, I agree. And on that, I think we'll
say
919
::[Tina m Garcia]: Wrap it up.
920
::[Robb]: good day for this episode.
921
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yes.
922
::[Robb]: More controversial subjects coming your
way, I'm sure. Because we like to talk about
923
::[Robb]: everything. And any last words?
924
::[Tina m Garcia]: Have a good week.
925
::[Robb]: Yes, or have
926
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah,
927
::[Robb]: a good midweek
928
::[Tina m Garcia]: let's have,
929
::[Robb]: since this is Wednesday.
930
::[Tina m Garcia]: don't matter. You won't hear
us for a week, so have a good week.
931
::[Robb]: Have a good week. I
932
::[Tina m Garcia]: Yeah.
933
::[Robb]: agree with that. And this is Opinion
Show. So don't get it twisted. Keep coming
934
::[Robb]: back every Wednesday and listening to
the soulful voices of Rob and Tina. Ha ha
935
::[Tina m Garcia]: Hehehe
936
::[Robb]: ha. All right. Make sure to check out
our socials and share this with people and
937
::[Tina m Garcia]: and follow.
938
::[Robb]: follow and all that fun stuff. And until
next Wednesday for my co-host, as always, Tina,
939
::[Robb]: I am Rob. We'll see you in a week. Bye,
Tina.
940
::[Tina m Garcia]: See ya!
